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New Mother Charged With Assault for Using Meth During Pregnancy - NBC News
My thoughts are, if she hadn't been using illegal drugs to start with, she wouldn't have been arrested.
And can we talk about the arrest, and not turn this into a pro-life/pro-choice argument?
New Mother Charged With Assault for Using Meth During Pregnancy - NBC News
My thoughts are, if she hadn't been using illegal drugs to start with, she wouldn't have been arrested.
And can we talk about the arrest, and not turn this into a pro-life/pro-choice argument?
New Mother Charged With Assault for Using Meth During Pregnancy - NBC News
My thoughts are, if she hadn't been using illegal drugs to start with, she wouldn't have been arrested.
And can we talk about the arrest, and not turn this into a pro-life/pro-choice argument?
New Mother Charged With Assault for Using Meth During Pregnancy - NBC News
My thoughts are, if she hadn't been using illegal drugs to start with, she wouldn't have been arrested.
And can we talk about the arrest, and not turn this into a pro-life/pro-choice argument?
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Guessing someone is up for reelection? What is next, arresting women for having sex during pregnancy because the baby is a victim of underage sex? How about taking a glass of wine? Or riding a bike? Or living in a major city where there is a lot of pollution?
Let me tell you a story Pete.
I had a relationship with a woman back in my 20s who ended up getting pregnant and wanted to give the baby up for adoption.
She had a meth habit that extended well into the pregnancy. When the baby was born, she has blisters all over her body and several other reactions to the meth use.
It wasn't an occasional glass of wine or living in unhealthy air quality, it was purposeful. You might be addicted to a substance but, you're fully aware of the fact that you're pregnant and that you are still using.
Had that law been in effect back then, I would absolutely think she should have been charged.
FWIW it's not a local law. 38 states have some sort of fetal protection laws on the books.
Fetal Homicide State Laws
Is this new mother a regular meth user? Any evidence of this?
But my point is that these laws are scary as hell and have been abused by prosecutors looking for reelection. Case in point.. Rennie Gibbs. Charged with 1. degree murder after losing her baby to a still birth in the 36th week. The cops found out that she used cocaine.. once while pregnant. There was no link between that and the death of the baby, but 4 years after the tragic still birth, she was arrested and charged with murder. It took 4 years on top of that for the case to be thrown out... And this is not the only example.
These laws are leading down the road to El Salvador like laws that put women in prison for miss-carriages. Is that what you want? That any environmental aspect can basically make a pregnant woman a criminal if she has a miss-carriage?
Who did she assault? Her dealer? Maybe the cop that arrested her?New Mother Charged With Assault for Using Meth During Pregnancy - NBC News
My thoughts are, if she hadn't been using illegal drugs to start with, she wouldn't have been arrested.
And can we talk about the arrest, and not turn this into a pro-life/pro-choice argument?
Guessing someone is up for reelection? What is next, arresting women for having sex during pregnancy because the baby is a victim of underage sex? How about taking a glass of wine? Or riding a bike? Or living in a major city where there is a lot of pollution?
Two Days? and they arrest and charge her. How did they establish addiction? The article only said baby tested positive. It's stupid law anyway. It's not about helping/rehabbing a person, it's about private, for-profit prison system.
Mallory Loyola, 26, was arrested Tuesday, two days after giving birth to a baby girl, because she and her newborn tested positive for methamphetamine, Monroe County Sheriff Bill Bivens said.
Who did she assault? Her dealer? Maybe the cop that arrested her?
I suppose this law also covers cigarettes and alcoholic beverages. Did they test for nicotine? Did they test for her BAC? How about Mary Jane?
Is it bad to do those things while pregnant? Yes, most all medical professionals agree that whatever you put into your system will also be in the system of the fetus. Like pickles and ice cream.
Greasy foods and a high carbohydrate level. Or, tons of sweets. If your fetus can't handle a little meth, is it a viable candidate for person hood?
Detox the new born baby and go on with life. If the Mother hits up the baby on go fast, arrest her and throw her into the slammer. What is happening today in health care is people are starting to refuse to give bodily fluids to the medical staff because they know that instead of looking for symptoms of ailment, they are simply being drug tested.
New Mother Charged With Assault for Using Meth During Pregnancy - NBC News
My thoughts are, if she hadn't been using illegal drugs to start with, she wouldn't have been arrested.
And can we talk about the arrest, and not turn this into a pro-life/pro-choice argument?
Bivens said he thinks the law will have the opposite effect, and motivate addicted mothers-to-be to seek care.
According to the article, they both tested positive.
Did you really say that??
Wait...whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?The baby she was carrying.
Is this new mother a regular meth user? Any evidence of this?
Thanks. I saw that but what bothered me is: the law; “A woman may be prosecuted for assault for the illegal use of a narcotic drug while pregnant, if her child is born addicted to or harmed by the narcotic drug,” Are they going to hold her until there is proof of addiction to the baby and where is the proof of harm? It's right after birth. It just says tested positive - nothing about addiction or harm. The law seems to charge and imprison people for what might happen before it is shown to have happened.
Don't get me wrong. Every thing about Meth is wrong and bad. That's the consequence of the failed "war on drugs" But is this a new way around due process in the name of profit?
Personally, I don't see this, at all, as a way around due process. I think it has everything to do with protecting the life of this baby. It's quite simple, really. If people don't want to be arrested, don't use meth while you are pregnant. Easy, peasy. Obviously they aren't compelled to stop using for, oh, I don't know, protecting their child. Maybe they can be compelled to stop using if a jail sentence and removal of the child from the home is held over their heads.
Actually, removal of the child from the home would be ideal for the child. :shrug:
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