disneydude
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I agree, they don't see race, creed as a bad thing. They're taught to them by their parents.
Which explains the exponential growth in acceptance of gay marriage over the last decade.
The wheels are in motion...its only a matter of time. But those who favor discrimination will continue to hold on til the bitter end.
But those who favor discrimination will continue to hold on til the bitter end.
The less educated more idealistic more apt to believe propaganda, I can see where that would see a higher % of support. But...young adults do age...do grow up....do change their mind on oh so many issues.
Same sex marriage isn't 0-31 in referendum? The vast majority of Americans don't oppose same sex marriage? You yourself don't use the state to deny others their definitions of marriage? You can't marry your first cousin or brother in your state?
All of these things I've been claiming.......you're saying aren't true?
J.....we both know they are true. We both know I'm correct here...and we both know that you yourself....deny others in the exact same manner as I do....and you continue to whine. I'm not the one with the credibility issue here, you're getting emotional. Let's stick to the facts.....and the reality you cannot argue with.
Less educated oh man you are riot. The more education one has the more likely they are to accept gays as equals.
As with most things, Education is a key to dispel ignorance and fear.
People are often afraid of that which they do not know or understand. As more and more gay people come out and more and more people become acquainted with and educated about the issues, their attitudes change accordingly.
Actually Navy...you are wrong. With the exception of the extreme Bible Belt....Americans are becoming more and more accepting of fairness and equality.
You will see.....the tide is turning quickly. Its only a matter of time.
Like I said, you live in a fantasy world..........Pretty soon 49 out of 50 states will define marriage as a union between a man and a woman......The issue will be on several ballots in the fall and you will lose every one.........the only state that will legally recognize gay marriage is Mass. and that is because activist judges made the ruling......If the people get a chance to vote you will lose there to........I wonder when there are 50 states that have denounced gay marriage will you still be in your fantasy world saying your winning? I actually feel sorry for you my left wing friend..........I don't hear the gays in DP arguing the issue like you.........
It's been proven time, and time again that young people vote for Gay marriage. The voting statics, prove this the young-adults vote split 55 percent to 45 percent.
The people, are waking up too. Future Trends for Same-Sex Marriage Support? - Statistical Modeling, Causal Inference, and Social Science We here in texas just vote in our first gay mayor, so people thoughts are changing Navy. You can't stop progress.
But even acceptance of gays among older Americans is changing....
I am one of those aging Americans and I can tell you that is wrong........I associate with many veterans in the clubs I belong to, American Legion, Fleet Reserve, VFW, and to a man most of them at best think gay marriage is wrong and at worse think its a joke............
I know gay vets your age that have been with their partners s since their military days.
Like I said, you live in a fantasy world..........Pretty soon 49 out of 50 states will define marriage as a union between a man and a woman......The issue will be on several ballots in the fall and you will lose every one.........the only state that will legally recognize gay marriage is Mass. and that is because activist judges made the ruling......If the people get a chance to vote you will lose there to........I wonder when there are 50 states that have denounced gay marriage will you still be in your fantasy world saying your winning? I actually feel sorry for you my left wing friend..........I don't hear the gays in DP arguing the issue like you.........
Because you are failing to understand on so many levels Navy:
1. First of all....Constitutional rights should never be put to a popular vote.
Can you imagine how different civil rights would be in this country if the rights had been put to a popular vote.
2. Even IF it is put to a popular vote, the shift in numbers is astounding and indicative that gay marriage is on the horizon. Yes, Navy, you are correct that when put to a popular vote, the voters have been against it. But the BIG BIG BIG thing that you are missing is look at the numbers of those elections. The shift has been dramatic and is changing rapidly.
Where 10 years ago gay marriage was losing by 30-40 points. Today it is losing by 4-5 points. You are in complete denial if you fail to recognize that outdated discriminatory views are soon to be a thing of the past.
Even old Farts like you Navy (and I say that endearingly....)...are changing their attitudes. I think even you are capable of embracing that which is fair and right over time, despite your stubborness.
When you have older conservative Republican mayors realizing that they were wrong on the issue and changing course, it gives me hope that even you will come to that realization in your lifetime. I sincerely, hope that you will...because I think down deep you really are more caring and understanding than your old ways are allowing you to be.
I know gay vets your age that have been with their partners s since their military days.
And your point is?
I am one of those aging Americans and I can tell you that is wrong........I associate with many veterans in the clubs I belong to, American Legion, Fleet Reserve, VFW, and to a man most of them at best think gay marriage is wrong and at worse think its a joke............
They are not afraid of coming out now. And I'm very proud of my Uncle's service.
Come to the meeting at one of my lodges and ask the members how they feel about the issue or better yet go to one of the lodges (VFW, FRA, etc and put the question to them.....They won't beat you up or anything like that but they will definitely let you know how they feel about the issue......You live in such a fantasy world that I don't think they will convince you but you will learn that older people are definitely against gay marriage...........
Wait a minute, I am a veteran, and I think gay marriage should be encouraged. I am far from the only one who thinks that.
You live in such a fantasy world that I don't think they will convince you but you will learn that older people are definitely against gay marriage...........
And younger people are in favor of gay marriage. And since older people have a nasty habit of dying sooner... You do the math.
Gay marriage is inevitable.
And we all know the younger generation never takes on the values of the older generation... if it were as easy as you say, we'd have Gay marriage 100 years ago. Somehow, that didn't happen. And I'm not so sure younger people are in favor of gay marriage. In what state? In what region? What does "younger" mean exactly?
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