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New iPad; iOS 5.1 update

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So the new iPad was announced. I will be getting one by fathers day because by then i assume the kinks will be ironed out. also the new update is out. What do you all think of it? Im going to post videos of me speaking Japanese to the Siri app here in a little bit and post them up on here see how well it works (or I speak anymore lol). Here is some links for more iPad info:

Mac Rumors: Apple Mac iOS Rumors and News You Care About
Apple - The new iPad - It
 
Buy the iPad 2 instead.. it will be cheaper. Or even better, buy the new Asus tablet and break the strangle hold Apple has on you.

The new iPad is a joke beyond comparison.

Yes it has a HD screen, and so ****ing what. The screen is still only 9.7 inches, so viewing a movie on it not exactly optimale but you cant see any real difference between HD and non HD movies at that size.

On top of that, you have LTE.. wupti du. LTE contracts have a 5 to 10 GB a month download max.. which basically means 1 full HD movie if at that. And the bugger only works in the US... own goal Apple! The frequencies used in Europe are different, so they better change those before they start selling it...

On top of that.. the space on the iPad is no where near enough for HD movies...A real HD 1080p movie (depending on length) is between 6 to 15 GB. Avatar in MKV format in 1080p is 17GB. And you have no possibility to add extra space.

And if you want to stream your new HD movie onto a real TV, buy an extra adaptor for HDMI out, or the new Apple TV for 99 bucks. The cost of using Apple products just goes up and up and up , while the competition delivers it out of the box... /clap.

iOS update... playing catchup... it is still outdated and very worn OS. Reminds me of Symbian.

But it is good to see Apple has joined the 21st century when it comes to HD.. and not the 480 fake HD they have been scamming their customers off with for years
 
my only issue with the ipad and by extension most tablets is that they arent worth the price.

i could buy a pretty decent laptop for the same $ and get far more memory, processing power, storage, etc.
 
my only issue with the ipad and by extension most tablets is that they arent worth the price.

i could buy a pretty decent laptop for the same $ and get far more memory, processing power, storage, etc.

Not to mention a physical keyboard.

A tablet (I have an Asus Transformer) is great for certain things... reading books, magazines, watching a movie in plane/train/car, and keeping in contact with social services including Email at a minimal level. It is okay for websurfing, but hardly optimal since 99% of the web is not designed for it and typing on the on screen keyboard is....

Then there are apps.. but to be brutally honest 99% are crap and gimmicks, while the 1% are cool and actually worth while. If I look at my smartphone, the useful ones can be counted on 2 hands... the rest are just gimmicky.

Games.. mehhhh, never been a fan.. rather have a mouse and keyboard or use a consol on a big screen. Angry Birds is fine, but for real gamers... never.

But for many productivity things, word, excel and so on.. it is utterly hopeless since it has no keyboard or mouse. Anyone using an iPad for their higher education aka university, has to have their head examined. Sure it might be good for text books (dunno about the writing your own comments and marking..), but for anything else.. hopeless.

But for a large part of the population who at the moment only need email, basic web access and to read news and books, tablets are cool, but that comes at a high price especially when we are talking about Apple.
 
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Buy the iPad 2 instead.. it will be cheaper. Or even better, buy the new Asus tablet and break the strangle hold Apple has on you.

The new iPad is a joke beyond comparison.

Yes it has a HD screen, and so ****ing what. The screen is still only 9.7 inches, so viewing a movie on it not exactly optimale but you cant see any real difference between HD and non HD movies at that size.

On top of that, you have LTE.. wupti du. LTE contracts have a 5 to 10 GB a month download max.. which basically means 1 full HD movie if at that. And the bugger only works in the US... own goal Apple! The frequencies used in Europe are different, so they better change those before they start selling it...

On top of that.. the space on the iPad is no where near enough for HD movies...A real HD 1080p movie (depending on length) is between 6 to 15 GB. Avatar in MKV format in 1080p is 17GB. And you have no possibility to add extra space.

And if you want to stream your new HD movie onto a real TV, buy an extra adaptor for HDMI out, or the new Apple TV for 99 bucks. The cost of using Apple products just goes up and up and up , while the competition delivers it out of the box... /clap.

iOS update... playing catchup... it is still outdated and very worn OS. Reminds me of Symbian.

But it is good to see Apple has joined the 21st century when it comes to HD.. and not the 480 fake HD they have been scamming their customers off with for years

Your entire post made me chuckle. That's all I really got to say. Nothing I could say would convince you of how well built the product is. You don't even really seem to know how to utilize your own tablet experience properly so....

anyways megapro I understand what you are saying. What makes the experience for most people is however the apps. For me specifically it has a lot of art apps and is a good space saver. For when my daughter is older it is far better in many cases and of course interactive than teaching her things with a simple book.
 
Your entire post made me chuckle. That's all I really got to say. Nothing I could say would convince you of how well built the product is. You don't even really seem to know how to utilize your own tablet experience properly so....

Never said it was not well built. But so is the Asus Transformer which is considerably cheaper and has the same screen as the ipad2.

And I know plenty how to utilize my tablet experience, but it is not as good or as fast for certain things as a real keyboard and mouse. For example, posting on this board. Even with the designated app that can be used for this is no where near the same fast experience as a keyboard and a mouse... that is just a fact.

If I have the choice of watching a movie on my TV or my tablet.. the tablet looses every time.

If I have a choice of reading a book/magazine/information via app on my PC versus Tablet, then the tablet will win. That is what it is designed for!

If I have a choice of writing a long mail on my PC or Tablet, the PC will win. The keyboard on a tablet plus the apps in general for mail are far inferior to your PC version.

If I have a choice of doing a word/excel document... PC hands down.. the tablet is useless without a real keyboard.

Web surfing is a toss up... almost, I would still prefer the PC simply because of the keyboard, but the mobility is nice with the tablet.

Games... PC or Xbox/playstation.. at least for the type of games I like to play.

Like it or not the tablet has a very limited usage for most things you use computers in your daily life.
 
Never said it was not well built. But so is the Asus Transformer which is considerably cheaper and has the same screen as the ipad2.

And I know plenty how to utilize my tablet experience, but it is not as good or as fast for certain things as a real keyboard and mouse. For example, posting on this board. Even with the designated app that can be used for this is no where near the same fast experience as a keyboard and a mouse... that is just a fact.

If I have the choice of watching a movie on my TV or my tablet.. the tablet looses every time.

If I have a choice of reading a book/magazine/information via app on my PC versus Tablet, then the tablet will win. That is what it is designed for!

If I have a choice of writing a long mail on my PC or Tablet, the PC will win. The keyboard on a tablet plus the apps in general for mail are far inferior to your PC version.

If I have a choice of doing a word/excel document... PC hands down.. the tablet is useless without a real keyboard.

Web surfing is a toss up... almost, I would still prefer the PC simply because of the keyboard, but the mobility is nice with the tablet.

Games... PC or Xbox/playstation.. at least for the type of games I like to play.

Like it or not the tablet has a very limited usage for most things you use computers in your daily life.

I'm.gonna throw this in here.

I do all my posting here from my Dell Streak 5" tablet phone. Hell, I haven't had a functioning computer at home for the better part of a year.

This form factor is nearly perfect. I can thumb type with Thumb Keyboard in landscape at a perfectly acceptable rate. If I was going to type something long i'd want a physical keyboard, but for day to day its fine.

I can read a full column of a web page at normal reading distance with my crappy eyes. The screen is usable in the car mount without being dangerous.

And I carry it with me EVERWHERE. Its always in my pocket. Its big. No question. But surprisingly manageable. A truly portable tablet.

And it takes calls too.

Actually probably picking up a Samsung Note tomorrow.

To the thread. I had an iphone, but after awhile I really got sick of it. Left my power cord at work one day and tried to use the wifes iphone 4 to check DP. Gave up after a couple minutes.

Android (with all its quirks and foibles) is my OS of choice, hands down.

That said, to each their own. I know several mac hating recent converts to the ipad. They do whst they do well.
 
Never said it was not well built. But so is the Asus Transformer which is considerably cheaper and has the same screen as the ipad2.

And I know plenty how to utilize my tablet experience, but it is not as good or as fast for certain things as a real keyboard and mouse. For example, posting on this board. Even with the designated app that can be used for this is no where near the same fast experience as a keyboard and a mouse... that is just a fact.

If I have the choice of watching a movie on my TV or my tablet.. the tablet looses every time.

If I have a choice of reading a book/magazine/information via app on my PC versus Tablet, then the tablet will win. That is what it is designed for!

If I have a choice of writing a long mail on my PC or Tablet, the PC will win. The keyboard on a tablet plus the apps in general for mail are far inferior to your PC version.

If I have a choice of doing a word/excel document... PC hands down.. the tablet is useless without a real keyboard.

Web surfing is a toss up... almost, I would still prefer the PC simply because of the keyboard, but the mobility is nice with the tablet.

Games... PC or Xbox/playstation.. at least for the type of games I like to play.

Like it or not the tablet has a very limited usage for most things you use computers in your daily life.

Most of what you said a bluetooth keyboard can fix. Simply put, the average user can do nearly the exact same things on a tablet or PC, a tablet however can do so much more than your average laptop.
 
I'm.gonna throw this in here.

I do all my posting here from my Dell Streak 5" tablet phone. Hell, I haven't had a functioning computer at home for the better part of a year.

This form factor is nearly perfect. I can thumb type with Thumb Keyboard in landscape at a perfectly acceptable rate. If I was going to type something long i'd want a physical keyboard, but for day to day its fine.

I can read a full column of a web page at normal reading distance with my crappy eyes. The screen is usable in the car mount without being dangerous.

And I carry it with me EVERWHERE. Its always in my pocket. Its big. No question. But surprisingly manageable. A truly portable tablet.

And it takes calls too.

Actually probably picking up a Samsung Note tomorrow.

To the thread. I had an iphone, but after awhile I really got sick of it. Left my power cord at work one day and tried to use the wifes iphone 4 to check DP. Gave up after a couple minutes.

Android (with all its quirks and foibles) is my OS of choice, hands down.

That said, to each their own. I know several mac hating recent converts to the ipad. They do whst they do well.

Well for me, I was into Apple stuff before Apple became popular. I understand how their stuff works better than most people that use them. Today for example, I told 4 different people at work they could update their iPhones without connecting them to a computer and they didn't know that. To me Android phones are the better phones; but as all around devices they falter. In the tablet sector they falter even harder. This of course is just me, I could get into some reasons why but as you, me, and many others say to each their own.
 
I'm.gonna throw this in here.

I do all my posting here from my Dell Streak 5" tablet phone. Hell, I haven't had a functioning computer at home for the better part of a year.

This form factor is nearly perfect. I can thumb type with Thumb Keyboard in landscape at a perfectly acceptable rate. If I was going to type something long i'd want a physical keyboard, but for day to day its fine.

I can read a full column of a web page at normal reading distance with my crappy eyes. The screen is usable in the car mount without being dangerous.

And I carry it with me EVERWHERE. Its always in my pocket. Its big. No question. But surprisingly manageable. A truly portable tablet.

And it takes calls too.

Actually probably picking up a Samsung Note tomorrow.

To the thread. I had an iphone, but after awhile I really got sick of it. Left my power cord at work one day and tried to use the wifes iphone 4 to check DP. Gave up after a couple minutes.

Android (with all its quirks and foibles) is my OS of choice, hands down.

That said, to each their own. I know several mac hating recent converts to the ipad. They do whst they do well.

I agree fully. 5 inch form factor or there abouts is superior to the 10 inch when doing what you are doing. I do regret a bit, not getting the small Acer tablet..
 
Well for me, I was into Apple stuff before Apple became popular. I understand how their stuff works better than most people that use them. Today for example, I told 4 different people at work they could update their iPhones without connecting them to a computer and they didn't know that. To me Android phones are the better phones; but as all around devices they falter. In the tablet sector they falter even harder. This of course is just me, I could get into some reasons why but as you, me, and many others say to each their own.

Well to be fair, the fact that you can update your iPhone without connecting them to a computer is rather new.... they are fully justified to not knowing this, since Apple iPhone has always been only update via a PC.. until they copied everyone else and add the over the air update possibility a few months ago with the iPhone 4S release.

And fair is fair.. if you are willing to pay out a very large premium for average products then that is up to you, but for most people who are new to the technology game or dont have as much knowledge as you and me about technology, then the con game Apple uses daily in commercials and media is frankly revolting. People attribute price = quality, but when you explain to them the facts most people get pissed really fast over being conned. The amount of times I have had to explain that no you cant run Word on an iPad .. well lets say if I had a cent for every time, then I would be a rich man.

I actually had a contest with an iPad owner not long ago. I had my Asus Transformer and we tested them side by side. With the exception of a few apps (going both ways btw.. some I had, some he had), the Transformer met the iPad on every front and even was better on certain fronts.. For example there was less lag on the Transformer when rendering webpages. And when we compared prices then well there was no contest.. Ironically the iPad even crashed once during the test, but that was (I suspect) due to low battery. Now he was of course not convinced since he is a real Apple Fanboy (got a Mac, iPad, iPhone and Apple TV) but he could not beat my arguments on price which really pissed him off and made him very grumpy :) since he found out how much money he actually spent on Apple products... which was considerable, and I had spent considerably less and got pretty much the same experience. He was so proud when he showed me Slingplayer for iPad and he could sit in Spain and watch Danish TV, and then I showed him Slingplayer for Android, which was cheaper...
 
Most of what you said a bluetooth keyboard can fix. Simply put, the average user can do nearly the exact same things on a tablet or PC, a tablet however can do so much more than your average laptop.

More cost..

If you want to buy the official bluetooth keyboard for the iPad then it is at a considerable price. Can you even add a mouse to the iPad? You can with the Androids.

Basically you are saying 500 bucks for an iPad with limited space (16 gb), plus lets say 100 bucks extra for mouse, keyboard, HDMI out and other add-ons that come with a laptop... for 600 bucks you can get a much more powerful laptop with considerably more space and it can run Word.
 
Ahh the new age WindowsCE vs PalmOS argument. ::rams my head against the wall::

Anyways, sticking to the topic and ignoring the fanboi's from either...

The "New iPad" follows a trend that Apple has been doing with their phones imho. If I had an original iPad I'd likely say go forward with the upgrade. No camera to a very nice one. Somewhat fat for a tablet to thin. No smart cover to smart cover. Basic screen to retina screen. Single Core goes to a dual core with enhanced graphics. Likely a RAM jump. And if you're looking at connectivity, 3G bumping to LTE.

However, if you have an iPad2 I'd say the jump isn't really worth it (Much in the same way I didn't feel the jump on the iPad2 was necessarily worth it). While the improved display, camera, and graphics is nice I don't think it's worth spending that money again a year later. Maybe if I did a cell plan with it and badly wanted LTE...but even then I'm not sure.

So from iPad to new iPad...absolutely. Well worth the money. iPad2 to new iPad? Probably not.

Now, with that said...if you don't have either but know you want to go Apple, the iPad2 at $399 is an attractive offer depending on your planned use.
 
And just FYI..

LTE only works in the US since Apple in all its post Jobs wisdom seems to have not looked at the technology enough and only put in a chip that has the US version of the LTE standard. And since LTE/4G standards on the rest of the planet are totally different than the US standard, then the new iPad is useless.. 4G wise... in the rest of the world.

I also expect that Apple will be slapped over the wrist at best over the commericals for the iPad in Europe since they are promoting it as a 4G tablet but it cant deliver since it is not compatible with the European standards.
 
4G will in fact work in other countries. If you go to Apples (Or carriers) own websites it says that much. I have serious doubts about your side by side comparisons. Even so, chances are your friend was running an app made for iPad, while you were running an app made for Android phones. As for the whole "copying" and Apple being "late" on certain things, Apple wants everything to actually be stable and not feel like a beta. Meanwhile, Android stole from Apple for 3+ years, and now both companies will play off of each other back and forth in a similar fashion that MS and Apple has the past 10 years. In a matter of fact, Apple is very close to getting an injunction against GOogle allowing Apple to make $10 for every android device sold because Android devices infringe on several Apple patents.

I probably don't have to tell you because you are such a "technology wizard" but Android before Google bought the company, it initially looked more like a RIM device OS. Eric Schmidt, Google's then CEO stepped down as a board member of Apple due to conflict of interest. Fact of the matter is though, thanks to an incredible app store, good hardware, and quality design the iPad line has sold more tablets than ALL tablets combined since the invention was introduced 10+ years ago.
 
4G will in fact work in other countries. If you go to Apples (Or carriers) own websites it says that much.

And it is a lie.

Apple's new Ipad might not be compatible with 4G networks in Europe - Esato
New Ipad 'useless' on Swedish 4G: report - The Local
No 4G New iPad for UK users | ITProPortal.com
The New iPad is Not Compatible with European 4G/lte Networks | Socyberty
The new 4G iPad is “New World” only | Tech blog | Tech blog - Industry analysis

There are plenty of reports about it out there.

And if Apple keeps having commercials promoting this lie, then they will see a hefty fine in many Europe countries for false advertising.

I have serious doubts about your side by side comparisons. Even so, chances are your friend was running an app made for iPad, while you were running an app made for Android phones.

Nope, same apps, else how could we compare? We also tried to avoid webpages with Flash since Apple dont have that.. was very hard but we managed. As for made for an Android phone... that is so last year. Most apps that matter are made for tablets now as well or the phone version is fully compatible with a tablet.. much like iOS. And with ICS forward, this will change dramatically.

As for the whole "copying" and Apple being "late" on certain things, Apple wants everything to actually be stable and not feel like a beta.

Siri is beta, buggy and so on. Lion had critical bugs in it... the WIFI bug was utterly idiotic for a company that wants to do everything wirelessly. iPhone 4S still has a battery problem that they have not fixed yet months after release... There is tons of incompatible software on the new OSX, including some of Apples own!

Meanwhile, Android stole from Apple for 3+ years, and now both companies will play off of each other back and forth in a similar fashion that MS and Apple has the past 10 years

Stole what exactly? I keep hearing this claim from Steve Jobs and Apple fanboys but they never provide evidence.

In a matter of fact, Apple is very close to getting an injunction against GOogle allowing Apple to make $10 for every android device sold because Android devices infringe on several Apple patents.

LOL no they are not. Apple has lost pretty much every single lawsuit against Android and Android makers.. lawsuits that matter, like the whole design issue with Samsung. Face it, if the Samsung, Microsoft and Google got their act together and pooled resources, then they could wipe out Apple via patents since Apple has next to non patents compared to those 3. But they wont because they all earn a nice bit of change on every Apple product, where as Apple does not.

I probably don't have to tell you because you are such a "technology wizard" but Android before Google bought the company, it initially looked more like a RIM device OS. Eric Schmidt, Google's then CEO stepped down as a board member of Apple due to conflict of interest.

And so what? Apple "borrowed" its iOS as well as far as I remember... not to mention large parts of the design.. hell they outright stole some bits from app developers by banning the apps from their market and then using the design in the next version of the os as a new feature...

Fact of the matter is though, thanks to an incredible app store, good hardware, and quality design the iPad line has sold more tablets than ALL tablets combined since the invention was introduced 10+ years ago.

Yes and you forgot the most important part... Marketing and hype. Most people dont even know there are cheaper and better alternatives to the iPad.. for now. iPad has become like Kleenex or Xerox.. a name for a tablet, and that is both good and bad. When you go into the store now days for Kleenex chances are you dont get Kleenex but a generic brand, and chances are your copier is not a Xerox but something else.

And fact is.. Apples market share of tablets has gone from 99% to below 60% in 2 years, which means that just like with the iPhone a turn is coming and that turn will accelerate when Microsoft comes out with Windows 8. If people stand between an iPad without Office and Windows Pad with Office, then I know which they will choose.
 
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And it is a lie.

Apple's new Ipad might not be compatible with 4G networks in Europe - Esato
New Ipad 'useless' on Swedish 4G: report - The Local
No 4G New iPad for UK users | ITProPortal.com
The New iPad is Not Compatible with European 4G/lte Networks | Socyberty
The new 4G iPad is “New World” only | Tech blog | Tech blog - Industry analysis

There are plenty of reports about it out there.

And if Apple keeps having commercials promoting this lie, then they will see a hefty fine in many Europe countries for false advertising.

If in these countries the 4G LTE does not work, that specifically has to do with carriers and carrier roll out as well as the different bands. LTE mind you still does not have a unified standard, otherwise there wouldnt be a need for a Verizon and AT&T 4G iPad, even so providers may claim 4G capability using HSPA+ as AT&T does in United States. There is no standard or regulation for 4G. 4G is quite simply a marketing term. Now they could possibly get in trouble saying "4G LTE" had it not been available in the area but not Apple, the actual carrier.

Siri is beta, buggy and so on. Lion had critical bugs in it... the WIFI bug was utterly idiotic for a company that wants to do everything wirelessly. iPhone 4S still has a battery problem that they have not fixed yet months after release... There is tons of incompatible software on the new OSX, including some of Apples own!

Siri however still works better and in a more integrated fashion than other voice dictation software out there. While true it is still in beta, what it is able to do right now is pretty amazing. The wifi bugs you speak of more specifically have to do with what happens when Apple devices talk to a network that has several devices on it that are in different bands. This isn't common to just Apple. HP for example, I cannot get my girlfriends HP netbook to hook to our network. HP does not have an easy fix for it, and it is common. I'm curious what incompatible software you refer to. As for battery life, true battery life wasn't the best if you had bluetooth, location services, and so on on. I could maybe go 9 hours without charging from 100% and get home and the charge would be down to 20%. Since this update the charge now hovers around 50% when I get home from work. This is with using Siri, location services, some gaming, some writing, texting, facebook, watching videos, and it searching for the network off and on in my place of business (AT&T's towers suck out where my work is) which honestly seems to drain the battery more than anything. Currently while on wifi the phone has 60% charge, 8 hours of charge left and/or 1 day, 2 hours of stand by.

Stole what exactly? I keep hearing this claim from Steve Jobs and Apple fanboys but they never provide evidence.

Here is an unbiased take on the subject: Yes, Google "Stole" From Apple, And That's A Good Thing - Forbes

It essentially is the MS vs Apple of today; it will end out with a company or companies paying out Apple a couple hundred million to quiet them, and to have a cross-patent agreement similar to what Apple and MS share today.

LOL no they are not. Apple has lost pretty much every single lawsuit against Android and Android makers.. lawsuits that matter, like the whole design issue with Samsung. Face it, if the Samsung, Microsoft and Google got their act together and pooled resources, then they could wipe out Apple via patents since Apple has next to non patents compared to those 3. But they wont because they all earn a nice bit of change on every Apple product, where as Apple does not.

You seem seriously misinformed. Just to name one single example, Apple owns, and originally applied for the multi-touch patent. Please enlighten me as to what multi-touch devices there were before 2007? Apple Offered Licensing Deals To Some Patent Foes -Sources

Apple has in fact been doing this for quite some time, has won a couple of injunctions, even if they were temporary. For example, the Galaxy Tab was so similar to the iPad they got it banned in Germany for quite some time until Samsung altered the design.

And so what? Apple "borrowed" its iOS as well as far as I remember... not to mention large parts of the design.. hell they outright stole some bits from app developers by banning the apps from their market and then using the design in the next version of the os as a new feature...
The core and basis of iOS was borrowed from Apple's own products such as OS X. Of course, later on certain things such as notification center were borrowed from Android but Apple borrowing a couple ideas here is nothing compared to a couple hundred ideas all the way down to how the core software works.

As for marketshare, any figures I've seen depending on quarter, etc shows no number below 60%. The lowest numbers I've been seeing is 68%. I've seen 2011 as them maintaining between 68-85% marketshare depending on how you look at it. Also Office is coming to iPad. In a matter of fact, several incredibly well done Microsoft apps are on iOS, many of them such as the Xbox Live component of Windows Phone, are exactly like Windows Phone. I also have Microsoft Photosythe, a Halo app, my gf plays Kinectimals, and Dance Central...you know Microsoft stuff. Face it. Ipad is synonymous with tablets just as iPod is with MP3 players. They created the modern smartphone and tablet industry. I'm not saying you have to like it, just respect it. Besides that why do we defend multi-billion dollar companies? They spend enough time doing that themselves. I just like to educate the uneducated.
 
I've been interested in the newer stuff, but my employer supplies me with an Apple laptop, iPad and iPhone with iCloud and remote access, which is insane, but they are older generation ones. Stuck with 3GS and the first version iPad. I have to try to twist some arms to get updated devices, which might mean putting up some of the money, but it's a hassle. With great perks come great administrative control over the perks, I suppose.

As for the HD display, I bet it is mindblowing, despite PeteU's skepticism. The fact that that many pixels are packed on to a screen that's 10 inches probably makes the viewing that much cleaner. I don't think the small size wastes the hi-res. But seeing will be believing, I suppose.
 
Nice update and i need to up date my iPhone OS can you suggest me
 
If in these countries the 4G LTE does not work, that specifically has to do with carriers and carrier roll out as well as the different bands. LTE mind you still does not have a unified standard, otherwise there wouldnt be a need for a Verizon and AT&T 4G iPad, even so providers may claim 4G capability using HSPA+ as AT&T does in United States. There is no standard or regulation for 4G. 4G is quite simply a marketing term. Now they could possibly get in trouble saying "4G LTE" had it not been available in the area but not Apple, the actual carrier.

Bull crap. It is all about the frequencies.. and the US frequencies are different than those around the world. Tell me then.. why is it that Samsung and other LTE/4G tablets and phones have no problem what so ever? No, Apple dropped the ball big time here and have to own up to it before it is too late. The outrage in Europe is growing and if there is one thing that people hate.. it is being lied too.

Siri however still works better and in a more integrated fashion than other voice dictation software out there. While true it is still in beta, what it is able to do right now is pretty amazing.

No it aint.. it is a gimick pure and simple. Plus it cant do much of what Apple claims it can do.. and Apple is getting sued now. Plus you need an internet connection to get it work! But in the end it is a pure and simple gimmick, that has not practical usage what so ever.... other than to show off.

The wifi bugs you speak of more specifically have to do with what happens when Apple devices talk to a network that has several devices on it that are in different bands.

No. The bug was that you got disconnected. It has been fixed some what now, but it took quite some time and the very fact that Apple is basing its whole eco-system around wireless technology.... well huge own goal.

This isn't common to just Apple. HP for example, I cannot get my girlfriends HP netbook to hook to our network. HP does not have an easy fix for it, and it is common.

The only times I have had problems getting on a wireless network is when I dont have the password, the wireless modem is defective (or lacks drivers) or the wireless router is defective. I have never had Windows or Linux have a bug in the OS that prevented me from logging onto a network

I'm curious what incompatible software you refer to.

iMessage was one of them. And it was mostly because they finally got rid of bonjour.. problem was they did not announce it .. it just happened.

As for battery life, true battery life wasn't the best if you had bluetooth, location services, and so on on. I could maybe go 9 hours without charging from 100% and get home and the charge would be down to 20%. Since this update the charge now hovers around 50% when I get home from work. This is with using Siri, location services, some gaming, some writing, texting, facebook, watching videos, and it searching for the network off and on in my place of business (AT&T's towers suck out where my work is) which honestly seems to drain the battery more than anything. Currently while on wifi the phone has 60% charge, 8 hours of charge left and/or 1 day, 2 hours of stand by.

That is because you were one of the lucky ones. Many iPhone 4s users complained (and still have problems) about max 6 hours battery life on standby. Go look at the Apple forums.. Apple released a supposed fix that did nothing for most people, and have yet to fix the issue. Their commendation.. a full factory reset, with wiping of everything... not that it worked for everyone.


Forbes is hardly unbiased... just saying.

It essentially is the MS vs Apple of today; it will end out with a company or companies paying out Apple a couple hundred million to quiet them, and to have a cross-patent agreement similar to what Apple and MS share today.

No it aint. You are seriously badly informed on the amount of "power" Apple has in this patent war. Apple tries to patent vague crap like trying to patent the rectangular tablet, where the competition has actual technical patents to bonk Apple over the head with.

You seem seriously misinformed. Just to name one single example, Apple owns, and originally applied for the multi-touch patent. Please enlighten me as to what multi-touch devices there were before 2007? Apple Offered Licensing Deals To Some Patent Foes -Sources

Multi-touch has been around (and patented) before Apple came around. Apple has tried to patent parts of multi-touch and been some what successful in the US, but there is serious doubt if the patents will hold any water and if they do, they will be FRAND patents.

In the end it will be Apple who will be paying the big bucks to Google, Microsoft, Samsung because they are the ones who own the real technological patents that matter... you know 3G patents, 4G patents and so on.

In fact, the new iPad is more Samsung than Apple.. the screen, processor and ram is all.. Samsung.

Apple has in fact been doing this for quite some time, has won a couple of injunctions, even if they were temporary. For example, the Galaxy Tab was so similar to the iPad they got it banned in Germany for quite some time until Samsung altered the design.

Yes a hollow victory since Apple lost the same case in the Netherlands. In fact, Apple lost a major case against Motorola in Germany not long ago and were forced to pull services and even products for a time because of this. It has been appealed now. Apple has lost pretty much every important patent case it has filed, and actually had several patents tossed out the window because of it. The only victories Apple have had are minor ones, that were easily corrected by the offensive party.

The core and basis of iOS was borrowed from Apple's own products such as OS X.

Which is based on freeBSD. Again Apple did not "invent" jack.. they just exploited already existing technology.

Of course, later on certain things such as notification center were borrowed from Android but Apple borrowing a couple ideas here is nothing compared to a couple hundred ideas all the way down to how the core software works.

Yes so Apple claims.. and yet has never proved a thing..

As for marketshare, any figures I've seen depending on quarter, etc shows no number below 60%. The lowest numbers I've been seeing is 68%. I've seen 2011 as them maintaining between 68-85% marketshare depending on how you look at it.

iClarified - Apple News - iPad Market Share Slipped to 54.7% in 4Q11

Apple's iPad market share slipped to 54.7% in 4Q11 down from 61.5% in 3Q11, according to IDC. The drop is largely due to the introduction of the Amazon Kindle which reached 16.8% market share in 4Q11 and increased awareness of other non-Apple tablets.

Now that share could increase this quarter of course with the new iPad.. depends on how many of the sales are replacements or new buys. But the iPad is projected to be surpassed by Android based tablets by 2015. What is not figured into these projections is Windows 8..

Also Office is coming to iPad.

Doubt it will before Windows 8 comes out.. if ever. Windows 8 will have office, and it will be a huge selling point for the enterprise industry where Microsoft is dominating and Apple cant get a real good foothold.

In a matter of fact, several incredibly well done Microsoft apps are on iOS, many of them such as the Xbox Live component of Windows Phone, are exactly like Windows Phone. I also have Microsoft Photosythe, a Halo app, my gf plays Kinectimals, and Dance Central...you know Microsoft stuff. Face it. Ipad is synonymous with tablets just as iPod is with MP3 players. They created the modern smartphone and tablet industry. I'm not saying you have to like it, just respect it. Besides that why do we defend multi-billion dollar companies?

Again I disagree some what. Apple did not make the smartphone market or the tablet industry. They were around before Apple came around, but they were concentrated with the business/enterprise sector... a place Apple still has a hard time getting into. What Apple did was to expand that market into the average user area, and that they have my respect for... even though they are taking most users for a ride so to say. RIM and Nokia had smartphones long before Apple came around with the iPhone. But they were marketed towards the business community.

They spend enough time doing that themselves. I just like to educate the uneducated.

Sorry but Apple is nothing but a propaganda machine trying to keep an image they have created over a decade.. an image that is slowly falling apart the more popular they get and get exposed for the lies and half truths myth they have built up... the old "apple just works" bullcrap.

As for educating the uneducated... Apple users are the MOST uneducated (about technology) out there, and are prime targets for crooks.. more and more malware, spyware and viruses are targeting Apple products and Apple users and Apple are having a very hard time defending themselves because they are living in the Apple made up world where it is only Windows users that need protection. They have gotten a rude awakening the last year... and are still getting it. Apple just pulled a number of apps from the store because they stole money from people. Apple also has massive security issues it seems with its iTunes/app store payment system.
 
As for the HD display, I bet it is mindblowing, despite PeteU's skepticism. The fact that that many pixels are packed on to a screen that's 10 inches probably makes the viewing that much cleaner. I don't think the small size wastes the hi-res. But seeing will be believing, I suppose.

It is mind blowing screen, but my point is ... so what. The Ferrari is a mind blowing car but you dont need it to drive to the store 2 miles away.. Also the small size does matter. There is no point having full HD on a 10 inch screen.. you can simply not see the difference between a 1080p or 720p or even 420p. And then comes the storage space. To use the higher resolution means app upgrades, which means large apps, which means less space. Add to that, that HD movies fill a crap load of space also (especially in 1080p) and you got some serious storage problems for even the 64 GB version.

For example, I have some HD 1080p movies on a hard drive.. Avatar with DTS sound, fills 14 GB.. Now I could probably get that down a tad to under 10 GB if I went an fiddled with the compression ratios and such, but that is still 70% of the iPad 16 GBs storage..
 
It is mind blowing screen, but my point is ... so what. The Ferrari is a mind blowing car but you dont need it to drive to the store 2 miles away.. Also the small size does matter. There is no point having full HD on a 10 inch screen.. you can simply not see the difference between a 1080p or 720p or even 420p. And then comes the storage space. To use the higher resolution means app upgrades, which means large apps, which means less space. Add to that, that HD movies fill a crap load of space also (especially in 1080p) and you got some serious storage problems for even the 64 GB version.

For example, I have some HD 1080p movies on a hard drive.. Avatar with DTS sound, fills 14 GB.. Now I could probably get that down a tad to under 10 GB if I went an fiddled with the compression ratios and such, but that is still 70% of the iPad 16 GBs storage..

I'm gonna have to differ with you on the screen res thing.

I recently upgraded from the dell Streak (800x600 LCD) to the Samsung Galaxy note (1280x800 Super amoLED)

The difference is clearly noticeable (although the Notes display is a ljttle over-saturated. No adjustments are available at this time without rooting, which I avoid if possible)
 
I'm gonna have to differ with you on the screen res thing.

I recently upgraded from the dell Streak (800x600 LCD) to the Samsung Galaxy note (1280x800 Super amoLED)

The difference is clearly noticeable (although the Notes display is a ljttle over-saturated. No adjustments are available at this time without rooting, which I avoid if possible)

First off Dell Streak is 800x 460.

Secondly its older LCD where as the Note is newer LED... you can see a clear difference between the two if you go to a store and look at two tvs of the same size beside each other.

On resolution. My point is that you will never get the full effect of a full HD resolution (actually on the iPad it is more than full HD) on such a small size. Your eyes can simply not see the difference between full HD resolution and 720p resolution on that size. Now on a 32 inch plus screen then yes you can see a difference but on 9.7 inch.. hell no, not without a microscope.

Is it cool to have that high a resolution? .. sure but why when you consider the drawbacks that come with it?

1) Huge battery adds weight and thickness. That is an issue like it or not.. one of the reasons Kindle is so popular.. it is light and thin!
2) A super powerful GPU to run the full HD screen adds 120f degrees heat problems..
3) HD content means larger files, both apps and movies.. but the storage space has not increased and there still is not possibility to add extra storage space. This will become the number one complaint once average non tech minded people realize the gravity of the problem.

No what they should have done is to bump the resolution up to 1280x800 which would put it in 720p standard HD. That would have been more than enough on such a small sized screen.. but then made it possible to stream content onto a TV in full HD 1080p.. you know like the Android tablets can do.

Let me point out, that it is Samsung that is making the screen.... they have the technology and are using it in their big screen TVs, but not on their tablets or even laptops... why? Because there is no reason for such a high resolution on small screens other than showing off for some e-penis thing.
 
Just got the Ipad3. It is my first Apple product ever. Doesn't take the place of a laptop but I don't think it was supposed to. As far as a go with you anywhere functional machine it is hard to beat. If you don't need much functionality though there are a lot of cheaper options out there if you just want to read books and do a little browsing. I just decided to take the plunge because I could afford it.
 
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