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I was just told she is proposing to drop drop border security funding so twice it's amount of money can be sure to provide health care to the former criminals who violated our nations borders and law.
What sources do you have for these rumors and gossip? Do you know how much money is actually spent on medical/health care for undocumented workers vs what we spend on Americans? What percentage of our federal dollars exactly, pay for health care for undocumented people?
Boxer to push funding for health costs of uninsured immigrants - latimes.comHer proposal calls for providing the money without increasing the federal budget deficit by using some of the money paid by applicants for legalization, much of which is now earmarked to further secure the border.
Not sure how it is a problem for immigrants seeking legal status to have coverage for health care costs while seeking citizenship out of fees they are paying out of their own pockets to become citizens, IOW part of their citizenship fees will cover their healthcare costs. What's the problem with that OP?
The point is that the new legislation calls for immigrants to pay fees while they're working their way toward citizenship. Those fees will be used to beef up our borders; that's what the current bill planned for. The current bill also plans for these people to not have the benefit of Medicaid or food stamps, et al until they are citizens.
Now here comes Barbara Boxer saying, "Instead of using those fees to pay for increased border security, let's use it to pay for their healthcare benefits." (Which the current legislation doesn't even call for them to receive.)
Well the biggest anti-immigrant whine I see is the myth of how they're such "a burden on taxpayers" this way they are paying for their healthcare vs taxpayers. Again, what is the problem, exactly? Increased border security is a joke. The more money we've spent on "border security" the less successful it has been. Having reasonable immigration laws, fair enforcement of them and good relations with our border neighbors would go much farther in keeping borders safe. The drug cartels and gangs are not thwarted and cannot be stopped with "border security" those are the people that we want to keep out of our country, migrant workers and immigrants here to make a better life for their families are no threat to American citizens.
Are we clear now? Boxer isn't even close to what public opinion is.Older and younger Americans don't agree on the immigration bill currently before the U.S. Senate, but a small majority of Americans overall favors the bill, according to a new CNN/ORC International survey.
The poll also indicates that more than six in 10 say border security rather than a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants should be the bigger priority.
According to the poll, 51% say they support a bill that would attempt to increase border security and create a pathway to citizenship for many undocumented immigrants, with 45% saying they are opposed to such a measure.
People 65 and older oppose the bill by a 17-point margin, while younger Americans tend to favor it.
The survey was conducted June 11-13, with 1,014 adults nationwide questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.
Find out more about the poll on CNN's new morni ng show, “New Day,” at 6 a.m. ET on CNN.
Where in the article does it say that "immigrants" are paying for anything? All I see it Washington sending $250M to state and local govts to pay for their healthcare insurance.
I was just told she is proposing to drop drop border security funding so twice it's amount of money can be sure to provide health care to the former criminals who violated our nations borders and law.
Her proposal calls for providing the money without increasing the federal budget deficit by using some of the money paid by applicants for legalization, much of which is now earmarked to further secure the border.
WASHINGTON—Sen. Barbara Boxer plans to push for Washington to provide $250 million and perhaps more to help local and state governments pay the cost of healthcare to uninsured immigrants who seek legal status under legislation now before the Senate.
Well the biggest anti-immigrant whine I see is the myth of how they're such "a burden on taxpayers" this way they are paying for their healthcare vs taxpayers. Again, what is the problem, exactly? Increased border security is a joke. The more money we've spent on "border security" the less successful it has been. Having reasonable immigration laws, fair enforcement of them and good relations with our border neighbors would go much farther in keeping borders safe. The drug cartels and gangs are not thwarted and cannot be stopped with "border security" those are the people that we want to keep out of our country, migrant workers and immigrants here to make a better life for their families are no threat to American citizens.
Boxer to push funding for health costs of uninsured immigrants - latimes.com
As MaggieD pointed out:
Drop border security funding, what? Border security will be unchanged with her proposal, hardly a "drop".
"Provide healthcare", as in no healthcare is being provided to illegals right now, but Boxer is somehow "providing" it to them with her proposal?
Look, I am not a fan of Boxer either, but that doesn't mean you can just flat out lie about her proposals.
How is anything I said a lie; your quotes illustrate exactly what I said. Take money that is planned to go to border security and give "possibly more" and I illustrated I heard (2x as much) to providing health care to criminals that live here in violation of our laws.
You said:
1. Boxer will "drop" border security funding-not true, as funding will not be "dropped" below what it currently is, or at least the article did not mention it
2. Boxer will "provide" healthcare to illegals-not true, as healthcare is being provided to illegals right now
You can play games with the words all you want that is pathetic. "dropped border security funding" meant the funding raised for it in the immigration bill. Also a total ignorant failure to say we provide health care to illegals right now because you know that is not what is meant, what is meant is to give them more health care services and probably insurance with the money that was to be raised for border security. You act like the Giffords shooter playing stupid games with words like that - a big reason I can't stand extremist libertarians - good riddance.
How is anything I said a lie; your quotes illustrate exactly what I said. Take money that is planned to go to border security and give "possibly more" and I illustrated I heard (2x as much) to providing health care to criminals that live here in violation of our laws.
You can play games with the words all you want that is pathetic. "dropped border security funding" meant the funding raised for it in the immigration bill. Also a total ignorant failure to say we provide health care to illegals right now because you know that is not what is meant, what is meant is to give them more health care services and probably insurance with the money that was to be raised for border security. You act like the Giffords shooter playing stupid games with words like that - a big reason I can't stand extremist libertarians - good riddance.
You're the one playing games with words, or perhaps you struggle with comprehension?
The facts are that:
Currently, the proposal is that immigrants applying for citizenship (a legal process making them no longer "criminal") will pay FEES for their citizenship status along with waiting periods and other qualifications they have to meet to become legal citizens.
In that proposal, it is also suggested [which means this doesn't yet happen, since the proposal hasn't passed and no one is as of yet paying the fees] that a portion of those fees collected go toward border security.
Boxer is proposing that a portion of the fees suggested for border security instead go toward health care. [i.e. lightening the so-called burden on taxpayers for medical care for undocumented immigrants] These are from FEES not yet collected or allocated, merely proposed allocations.
Actually, they wouldn't be criminals, they'll be applying for legal citizenship. We already pay for their health care when they go to ERs (which has been discussed and statistically shown that it is a very small percentage of health care costs). So THEIR money, the money of the applicants for legal status will go to pay for their healthcare. So no, you won't be paying anything for them.
So, nobody should comment about future legislation since it's only been suggested, and is only pending?
I think you may want to reconsider your definition of "word games".
Sir, the OP did not link any information. It reads like Boxer is just proposing to "drop" border security by itself , and starting healthcare programs/services for illegals, both of which are not true. He did not even indicate the proposals were being discussed in the Senate's immigration bill.
So, nobody should comment about future legislation since it's only been suggested, and is only pending?
I think you may want to reconsider your definition of "word games".
They are criminals - period. They have broken the laws of our land - I don't care what they "would be" I care what they ARE. Why else the term "illegal" alien or do you want to play on that word too?
No, that is not what I said. The OP presented the proposal inaccurately and continues to argue about it inaccurately. We of course, can and should have discussion on pending legislation, however, we should discuss the actual legislation being proposed versus innuendo, rumor and unfounded gossip not based in any facts.
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