New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...[W:34,46] (1 Viewer)

[BmanMcfly]

Where is the retraction?

Can't retract facts

 

[Fledermaus]

Can't retract facts

Support your claim or retract your claim.

 

[Fledermaus]

Can't retract facts

Admit it. You got caught in another lie. You are projecting now.

Be honest.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

Remember my saying:

Conspiracy Theorists have it easy, they make up a conspiracy, and rather than prove it, they ask you to disprove it. And when you do, they accuse you of being part of the conspiracy...and then they start a new one.

The interesting thing is, the last couple of threads I created in this area are about incidents that had very recently happened. And within hours of each one, the Conspiracy Theorists were already screaming that they were faked and part of a conspiracy.

These people really are brain damaged and lack and kind of critical thinking and logic ability. When you have a reporter shot on live TV and the shooter is still driving around and posting tweets of himself doing the shooting, and people are already saying it is fake, they are hopeless.

People like that are simply beyond help.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

The interesting thing is, the last couple of threads I created in this area are about incidents that had very recently happened. And within hours of each one, the Conspiracy Theorists were already screaming that they were faked and part of a conspiracy.

These people really are brain damaged and lack and kind of critical thinking and logic ability. When you have a reporter shot on live TV and the shooter is still driving around and posting tweets of himself doing the shooting, and people are already saying it is fake, they are hopeless.

People like that are simply beyond help.

And when you ask them for citation/support?

 

[Oozlefinch]

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And when you ask them for citation/support?

I have largely given up, because they have absolutely no idea what a credible reference is.

Here, look at this 2 hour long video and you will understand what really happened!!!!!!!

Uhhhh, no thanks. I think I would rather gargle gasoline after eating some lye covered razorblades.

I honestly am seeing CT as an infectious mental disease. Notice how almost none of them only believe a single CT. 9-11, JFK, Sandy Hook, Paris Train, Jade Helm, Chemtrails, ISIS, Titanic, Boston, Apollo Program, James Foley, HIV, Ebola, the list is absolutely ****ing endless. And all to often they start looking into one conspiracy, and then see a connection to another one. And soon all they see in life is an endless web of conspiracies. And as is the nature of a virus, it seeks to spread itself, by convincing others of the "amazing truth" that is out there to be discovered.

Everything in the entire world is a conspiracy to them. If I wore my blue jeans instead of my black jeans, that is part of a conspiracy to make black look bad. If I turn left and fart instead of turning right and farting, that is yet another conspiracy. Absolutely nothing happens because of happenstance, mistakes, or simply because we have some honestly bad people out there who are as drain bramaged as the CTers are.

 

[beefheart]

Can't retract facts

Please, provide some. Show your work.

 

[Fledermaus]

Please, provide some. Show your work.

Nah, he has already declared himself a winner and refuses to provide any support.

 

[mike2810]

Some posters have claimed the VT article is a scientific study. It seems the opinion piece is a far cry from using the scientific method and format for reporting discoveries. The lack of citations is noted throughout the article.
- Makes reference to 9/11, Khobar Towers, Haiti Earthquake, Yeman as all examples of tactical nuke use. Yet no reference to studies to support such statements.
- Mobile Phone as a radiation detector with white pixels being created by radiation. Again, no citations to back up that statements that radiation can be the only cause of the white spots.
- The lot full of burned cars looks similar to other fire events. A simple google search provides plenty of images with similar burned vehicles. Guess VT wants us to believe they are all nuked.
- In Diverse France, New Years Means Hundreds of Burned Cars | VDARE - premier news outlet for patriotic immigration reform
- https://www.google.com/search?q=bur...ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIhaynjKvKxwIVClaSCh1ZhweL

The article is written in the similar style as Prager’s nuke explanation for the towers without the detailed foot notes.

IMO, VT writes for a specific audience. VT seems to find a conspiracy in most major events that go on in this world.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

The interesting thing is, the last couple of threads I created in this area are about incidents that had very recently happened. And within hours of each one, the Conspiracy Theorists were already screaming that they were faked and part of a conspiracy.

These people really are brain damaged and lack and kind of critical thinking and logic ability. When you have a reporter shot on live TV and the shooter is still driving around and posting tweets of himself doing the shooting, and people are already saying it is fake, they are hopeless.

People like that are simply beyond help.

And in the long run the conspiracy theories, more often than not, wind up being proven to be conspiracy fact.

let's take the OKC bombing, most non debunkers forget about the details like multiple bombs, the witnesses that saw the GROUP of men dressed as telephone repairmen going through the building right before. The fact that something like 8-10 video cameras all failed at the same time for the same amount of time.

The psychologist worming with McVeigh was one of the top doctors with the my - ultra program... etc etc. ..

Then you start to recognize the patterns in other events, and just like in criminology, you see the criminals MO.

others just have this ability to tell when they are being lied to,they run the numbers and see the story not adding up.

The other side of that coin is that media and politicians have lied to the people in such blatant ways, on so many issues, that some people have gone to the other extreme where they simply take the opposite of what they are saying as truth, or at least a closer approximation.

consider the case of media, it's down to 5 or 6 companies that control over 90% of all radio, tv, print, and even internet... and those 5-6 companies must answer to those giving them the most money (ie sponsors), and so are reluctant or refuse to put anything out that might put that sponsorship at risk.

That's a part of why we wound up in a situation where some people don't even know their head from a hole in the ground and can barely point to the us on a labeled world map, and those are the "sane" people in your mind.

so, if conspiracy theorists are crazy, then crazy is catching. Unfortunately, so many others are getting dumber by the minute... and that part scares me, because when the market bubble bursts, which is a when and not an if, all these child like people will be on the streets burning whole cities to the ground.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

And in the long run the conspiracy theories, more often than not, wind up being proven to be conspiracy fact.

let's take the OKC bombing, most non debunkers forget about the details like multiple bombs, the witnesses that saw the GROUP of men dressed as telephone repairmen going through the building right before. The fact that something like 8-10 video cameras all failed at the same time for the same amount of time.

The psychologist worming with McVeigh was one of the top doctors with the my - ultra program... etc etc. ..

Then you start to recognize the patterns in other events, and just like in criminology, you see the criminals MO.

others just have this ability to tell when they are being lied to,they run the numbers and see the story not adding up.

The other side of that coin is that media and politicians have lied to the people in such blatant ways, on so many issues, that some people have gone to the other extreme where they simply take the opposite of what they are saying as truth, or at least a closer approximation.

consider the case of media, it's down to 5 or 6 companies that control over 90% of all radio, tv, print, and even internet... and those 5-6 companies must answer to those giving them the most money (ie sponsors), and so are reluctant or refuse to put anything out that might put that sponsorship at risk.

That's a part of why we wound up in a situation where some people don't even know their head from a hole in the ground and can barely point to the us on a labeled world map, and those are the "sane" people in your mind.

so, if conspiracy theorists are crazy, then crazy is catching. Unfortunately, so many others are getting dumber by the minute... and that part scares me, because when the market bubble bursts, which is a when and not an if, all these child like people will be on the streets burning whole cities to the ground.

The internet allows those with ignorant beliefs to share with others that have ignorant beliefs.

Sandy Hook?

Boston Bombing?

 

[Oozlefinch]

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And in the long run the conspiracy theories, more often than not, wind up being proven to be conspiracy fact.

Only to themselves.

You see, believe it or not, almost nobody accepts the claims you are making, like OKC. It is only the fringe conspiracy nuts that accept those "facts", the vast majority of people reject your "facts" as "fantasy".

 

[BmanMcfly]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

Only to themselves.

You see, believe it or not, almost nobody accepts the claims you are making, like OKC. It is only the fringe conspiracy nuts that accept those "facts", the vast majority of people reject your "facts" as "fantasy".

Mostly because many have not looked over the facts. However, the numbers are far larger than you would expect still.

When you are talking about more recent events, particularly; sandy hook, the Boston bombing, etc... People believing the story out of hand are a slim minority to those who call bs on some or all of them.

It's too bad you stopped reading that post you responded to so soon... I anticipated a more thorough response. If the position is really "crazy" as you claim with no evidence and at most the mastery of psychology one might attain from reading a couple articles of psychology today, then the positions would be EASILY shown to be false.

I've been talking about 911 truth since about the time where the invasion of Afghanistan had begun... Hoping I could be shown wrong, but still over a decade later and the closest I get is absurd self-debunking talking points, and people who seem to spend about 10-12 hours per day every day doing nothing but trying to debunk "conspiracy theories".

In that time I've seen the change, it went from hostile, to curious, to engaging, and now, the only people left are those who spend an inordinate amount of their lives trying to debunk the truthers... When in reality, it's a majority that know they were lied to, whether or not they have tried to examine and find the truth.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

Mostly because many have not looked over the facts. However, the numbers are far larger than you would expect still.

Haven't looked over the facts? And what facts are those? Claims on some conspiracy site? How well did that work for you in regards to Boston Bombing?

When you are talking about more recent events, particularly; sandy hook, the Boston bombing, etc... People believing the story out of hand are a slim minority to those who call bs on some or all of them.

Citation? Poll? Something to support your fantasy?

It's too bad you stopped reading that post you responded to so soon... I anticipated a more thorough response. If the position is really "crazy" as you claim with no evidence and at most the mastery of psychology one might attain from reading a couple articles of psychology today, then the positions would be EASILY shown to be false.

Ah, now the "psychology" card....

Since you are well versed in psychology perhaps you can explain why you refuse all the evidence in regards to Boston, Sandy Hook, et al.

I've been talking about 911 truth since about the time where the invasion of Afghanistan had begun... Hoping I could be shown wrong, but still over a decade later and the closest I get is absurd self-debunking talking points, and people who seem to spend about 10-12 hours per day every day doing nothing but trying to debunk "conspiracy theories".

In that time I've seen the change, it went from hostile, to curious, to engaging, and now, the only people left are those who spend an inordinate amount of their lives trying to debunk the truthers... When in reality, it's a majority that know they were lied to, whether or not they have tried to examine and find the truth.

Whether or not lies have been told has no bearing on the facts. Facts. 19 Bad Muslims hijacked 4 airliners and rammed them into three buildings and a field in PA. Those are the facts.

 

[ballantine]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

Only to themselves.

You see, believe it or not, almost nobody accepts the claims you are making, like OKC. It is only the fringe conspiracy nuts that accept those "facts", the vast majority of people reject your "facts" as "fantasy".

No, Johnson really did stage the Gulf of Tonkin.

They called all those hippies "conspiracy theorists", remember?

But the hippies were right. Johnson was lying through his teeth.

LOL @ "official government statements".

LOL @ "official government inquiries".

Fortunately you don't speak for the "vast majority of people".

That's one of the many fallacious tactics of the gubmint bootlicking crowd, is the constant diversion into ridicule and marginalization of the data with grandiose statements like "almost nobody" and "the vast majority of people" (and much of the time there's some comment about their sanity).

All the while failing to address the data itself ('cause they couldn't do that anyway, they're not that smart - that's why they're diverting and deflecting).

There are no "facts" in conspiracy cases, there is only evidence and the lack of evidence. If there is evidence, you have to discern what it means - and if there's a lack of evidence, you have to discern what that means too.

In the 60's there was a lot of racial prejudice, and there was a lot of fear about drugs - even as civil rights were being institutionalized, and peoples' minds were being opened by new pharmaceuticals as well as by street chemists. So, a story told by a black heroin addict was viewed with extreme suspicion regardless of the evidence around the story. In Texas if the story was unfavorable enough they'd find a way to frame the black man (for some other crime he didn't commit) and send him to prison to get him out of the way. In today's world we call that an abuse of power, and the specific abuses are federal crimes.

 

[Mark F]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

No, Johnson really did stage the Gulf of Tonkin.

The sailors aboard USS Maddox would disagree - as would the bullet holes in the ship.

They called all those hippies "conspiracy theorists", remember?

Did they?

 

[ballantine]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

The sailors aboard USS Maddox would disagree - as would the bullet holes in the ship.

Oh, so now you speak for long-dead sailors, and even bullet holes?

Y'all are too funny. Laughable, really. :lamo

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

Oh, so now you speak for long-dead sailors, and even bullet holes?

Y'all are too funny. Laughable, really. :lamo

Mark has citation.

Do you?

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

Oh, so now you speak for long-dead sailors, and even bullet holes?

Y'all are too funny. Laughable, really. :lamo

Lieutenant Commander Dempster M. Jackson, USN, Executive officer of USS Maddox (DD-731), kneels next to the hole made by the machine gun bullet that hit his ship's Mk.56 director pedestal during the engagement between Maddox and three North Vietnamese motor torpedo boats on 2 August 1964. The bullet is lodged in the hole. Taken by a USS Ticonderoga (CVA-14) photographer on 10 August 1964. Official U.S. Navy Photograph, from the collections of the Naval Historical Center.



Another view of the the hole made by the machine gun bullet that hit his ship's Mk.56 director pedestal during the engagement between Maddox and three North Vietnamese motor torpedo boats on 2 August 1964. The bullet is lodged in the hole. Taken by a USS Ticonderoga (CVA-14) photographer on 10 August 1964. Official U.S. Navy Photograph, from the collections of the Naval Historical Center.




Destroyer Photo Index DD-731 USS MADDOX

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

Lieutenant Commander Dempster M. Jackson, USN, Executive officer of USS Maddox (DD-731), kneels next to the hole made by the machine gun bullet that hit his ship's Mk.56 director pedestal during the engagement between Maddox and three North Vietnamese motor torpedo boats on 2 August 1964. The bullet is lodged in the hole. Taken by a USS Ticonderoga (CVA-14) photographer on 10 August 1964. Official U.S. Navy Photograph, from the collections of the Naval Historical Center.

Now if somebody was to ask me if I believe that President Johnson took advantage of a minor incident and used it as a fait accompli to expand the war, I most certainly agree. Much like many took the sinking of the USS Maine to push the country into a war. Do I think the incident was exagerated, yes.

Do I think it was staged, or a conspiracy about an event that never happened? No, of course not. Trying to say this never happened would be like denying that the USS Liberty, USS Pueblo, USS Stark, or the SS Mayaguez incidents ever happened.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

Now if somebody was to ask me if I believe that President Johnson took advantage of a minor incident and used it as a fait accompli to expand the war, I most certainly agree. Much like many took the sinking of the USS Maine to push the country into a war. Do I think the incident was exagerated, yes.

Do I think it was staged, or a conspiracy about an event that never happened? No, of course not. Trying to say this never happened would be like denying that the USS Liberty, USS Pueblo, USS Stark, or the SS Mayaguez incidents ever happened.

Agreed

 

[Mark F]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

Oh, so now you speak for long-dead sailors, and even bullet holes?

Y'all are too funny. Laughable, really. :lamo

Who says they are all dead? Hell, in a couple of weeks there is a reunion scheduled for the surviving crew of the original USS Maddox (DD622) which was sunk 22 years before the GOT incident!

The bullet holes are documented, posted above in the pedestal of the aft Mk 56 gun fire director.

You do know that Hanoi has acknowledged they attacked the USS Maddox (DD731) on 2 August, 1964, right?

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

You do know that Hanoi has acknowledged they attacked the USS Maddox (DD731) on 2 August, 1964, right?

But, they were in on it also! They were also ruled by their own MIC and profited by the expansion of the war! And, and, and, of course the Jews were behind all of them, through their puppets in Moscow! Because we all know the Communists are really run by Jewish bankers!

 

[Fledermaus]

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But, they were in on it also! They were also ruled by their own MIC and profited by the expansion of the war! And, and, and, of course the Jews were behind all of them, through their puppets in Moscow! Because we all know the Communists are really run by Jewish bankers!

You forgot the Secret Service and the Dallas PD.

 

[Mark F]

Re: New Conspiracy Theorist tactics...

Now if somebody was to ask me if I believe that President Johnson took advantage of a minor incident and used it as a fait accompli to expand the war, I most certainly agree. Much like many took the sinking of the USS Maine to push the country into a war. Do I think the incident was exagerated, yes.

That isn't nearly evil enough. If you are a CT you need for da gubmint to have secretly staged the whole thing as an elaborate and improbable false flag in order to accomplish what mere taking advantage of circumstances provides on its own.

Or have you not seen any of the 9/11 discussions?