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[Citizen]

Please. Have you read his "arguments"? Zero thought put into them. 100% against any point, no room for discussion. His arguments are pitiful even for a gun nutter. You might as well print boilerplate pro-gun talking points inside a Magic 8-Ball.

He has no argument. He is just too afraid to admit that his guns are more important than life itself

 

[RF667799]

The justification for preventing someone from getting a gun is to prevent mass murders. Just like we have background checks to prevent certain people from working with children

Must be why we never hear of any malfeasance by teachers and day care workers...

 

[Citizen]

How extensive would you like the background checks to be, keeping in mind they are required to exercise a Constitutional right.

Well instead of waiting for a crazy ass to shoot up a public place before you find his/her manifesto on social media. How about checking their social media prior to selling them a gun

 

[Citizen]

Must be why we never hear of any malfeasance by teachers and day care workers...

Imagine how many more there would be if we did not check

 

[CLAX1911]

Please. Have you read his "arguments"? Zero thought put into them. 100% against any point, no room for discussion. His arguments are pitiful even for a gun nutter. You might as well print boilerplate pro-gun talking points inside a Magic 8-Ball.

You didn't address mine where you said people will get shot because of guns and no it's because other people shoot them.

 

[RF667799]

Well instead of waiting for a crazy ass to shoot up a public place before you find his/her manifesto on social media. How about checking their social media prior to selling them a gun

Oh sure. They'll never catch on to that. Besides which, it's like pissing in the ocean and trying to measure it. You're talking about possibly intercepting a couple killers out of millions of peaceful people. And what is going to be the criteria that disallows a gun? What if they seem to be talking about killing people at a Mardi Gras parade with a Ford truck? Shouldn't we be checking the social media of people who are buying a truck as well?

 

[RF667799]

Imagine how many more there would be if we did not check

Why should we imagine? How many more would there be?

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Please. Have you read his "arguments"? Zero thought put into them.

You are just lying about my arguments because you are not capable of confronting them.

100% against any point, no room for discussion.

Your claims are factually incorrect. It is appropriate that people point out that they are untrue.

His arguments are pitiful

Your inability to address them says otherwise.

even for a gun nutter.

Your childish name-calling is a poor substitute for a compelling argument based on reason and logic.

You might as well print boilerplate pro-gun talking points inside a Magic 8-Ball.

Sure, as long as you can make the correct rebuttal match up to the corresponding falsehood when you post it.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

You didn't address mine where you said people will get shot because of guns and no it's because other people shoot them.

Not all arguments are worth my time. This is just another dumb one.

 

[CLAX1911]

Oh sure. They'll never catch on to that. Besides which, it's like pissing in the ocean and trying to measure it. You're talking about possibly intercepting a couple killers out of millions of peaceful people. And what is going to be the criteria that disallows a gun? What if they seem to be talking about killing people at a Mardi Gras parade with a Ford truck? Shouldn't we be checking the social media of people who are buying a truck as well?

This is why I don't think gun control is about saving lives or stopping shooting that's about getting control over people that have nothing to do with it.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

I noticed instead of refuting him, you decided on the equivalent of calling names.

That's all that the left is ever capable of.

 

[CLAX1911]

Not all arguments are worth my time.

Nice excuse for getting owned.

This is just another dumb one.

Then it would be easy for you to defeat why didn't you you tried and failed.

After you failed you just ran away.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

The justification for preventing someone from getting a gun is to prevent mass murders.

That is not justification for preventing people from having guns.

He has no argument.

That is incorrect. I posted many legitimate arguments.

He is just too afraid to admit that his guns are more important than life itself

What are you talking about?? I'm not afraid to admit that.

Neither am I afraid to admit to anything else that is true.

 

[RF667799]

This is why I don't think gun control is about saving lives or stopping shooting that's about getting control over people that have nothing to do with it.

They're called Criminal Background Checks, to be accurate. They're not about finding someone who has never done anything but MIGHT do something someday. That's Minority Report shit. That's the government given leave to intrude into the most minute aspects of your life. (I'm not opposed to See something Say something though)

Criminal Background Checks are about distinguishing the people who HAVE committed criminal acts in the past and so have demonstrated there is a better than average chance they will do so again. They should be on the list of prohibited persons and so the Criminal Background Check shouldn't take much time. It shouldn't be but a minor inconvenience to a peaceful person. Not even that. I generally pass the check before I get around to signing the other check.

Computers can access data like that really fast. Joe Blow wants to buy a gun, but Joe Blow comes up on the No gun list because he beat the shit out of his now ex-wife and has violated restraining orders by stalking his ex.

Joe Blow shouldn't be allowed to buy a car either. No reason to make his stalking and violence hobby easier for him.

As always though...Why isn't Joe Blow rotting in prison where he can't harm peaceful people?

 

[RF667799]

That's all that the left is ever capable of.

Not all people on the left, but not all people on the right are blameless either.

 

[CLAX1911]

They're called Criminal Background Checks, to be accurate. They're not about finding someone who has never done anything but MIGHT do something someday. That's Minority Report shit. That's the government given leave to intrude into the most minute aspects of your life. (I'm not opposed to See something Say something though)

Criminal Background Checks are about distinguishing the people who HAVE committed criminal acts in the past and so have demonstrated there is a better than average chance they will do so again. They should be on the list of prohibited persons and so the Criminal Background Check shouldn't take much time. It shouldn't be but a minor inconvenience to a peaceful person. Not even that. I generally pass the check before I get around to signing the other check.

Computers can access data like that really fast. Joe Blow wants to buy a gun, but Joe Blow comes up on the No gun list because he beat the shit out of his now ex-wife and has violated restraining orders by stalking his ex.

Joe Blow shouldn't be allowed to buy a car either. No reason to make his stalking and violence hobby easier for him.

As always though...Why isn't Joe Blow rotting in prison where he can't harm peaceful people?

I don't think the background checks they put you through to purchase a gun has anything to do about determining your background I think it's a de facto registry.

Again why did they record the serial number they don't need to know that to know if you committed a crime. They don't even need to know what kind of gun it is.

Also no agency is required to report to the next database and that's the only thing they check.

I carry a TWIC card that's a background check

 

[RF667799]

I don't think the background checks they put you through to purchase a gun has anything to do about determining your background I think it's a de facto registry.

Again why did they record the serial number they don't need to know that to know if you committed a crime. They don't even need to know what kind of gun it is.

Also no agency is required to report to the next database and that's the only thing they check.

I carry a TWIC card that's a background check

I agree with you about the serial number. They really aren't supposed to retain them in their government records, but it's believed they do.

There is also room to improve the efficiency of getting those who deserve to be on the Prohibited Persons list actually on that list. But there also needs to be vigilance in trying to insure that those who don't belong on the list don't get on it somehow. As well as there is room to discuss what actions should get one a spot on the list in the first place.

Despite their professed fervor for gun control, the radical gun control zealots here never seem to want to engage in such a conversation though.

 

[CLAX1911]

I agree with you about the serial number. They really aren't supposed to retain them in their government records, but it's believed they do.

They wouldn't ask for it if they didn't. My thoughts is there shouldn't even be a place on a form for it.

There is also room to improve the efficiency of getting those who deserve to be on the Prohibited Persons list actually on that list. But there also needs to be vigilance in trying to insure that those who don't belong on the list don't get on it somehow. As well as there is room to discuss what actions should get one a spot on the list in the first place.

Well it needs to be illegal for an agency not to report something that would necessitate be reported to the database it's just a formality. To give a government level appearance of being on the ethnic so you know fooling the most gullible

Despite their professed fervor for gun control, the radical gun control zealots here never seem to want to engage in such a conversation though.

No they don't want background checks they want a police state because that makes you safer because it always happens all throughout history

 

[Citizen]

Oh sure. They'll never catch on to that. Besides which, it's like pissing in the ocean and trying to measure it. You're talking about possibly intercepting a couple killers out of millions of peaceful people. And what is going to be the criteria that disallows a gun? What if they seem to be talking about killing people at a Mardi Gras parade with a Ford truck? Shouldn't we be checking the social media of people who are buying a truck as well?

No, I am talking about being pro active by curbing or eliminating mass shootings with high powered assault rifles and large magazines. Something you don’t care about. You just want to complain and do nothing about it. Let nothing stand in the way of you easily purchasing your killing machine. Not even innocent children

 

[Citizen]

That is not justification for preventing people from having guns.



That is incorrect. I posted many legitimate arguments.



What are you talking about?? I'm not afraid to admit that.

Neither am I afraid to admit to anything else that is true.

So what you are saying is that one’s motivation for buying an assault rifle and a large magazine doesn’t matter to you. You really don’t care if they intend to shoot up a church or a school. Their right to purchase should not be infringed. That’s what you are talking about. MAGA!

 

[braindrain]

The well regulated militia part is twisted into none existence by gun fans.
They argue about the minutia of the law and then ignore that bit.

The one doing the twisting here is you.

But please tell me who do you think “the people” refers to. And what does it mean through the rest of the constitution.

 

[The Brad Dad]

If you don't want to take care of people who are suffering a mental health crisis, don't complain when someone snaps and lashes out.

I've asked Republicans what legislation the GOP has passed on this subject and the only response I get is one long iteration of "duuuuuuuh'

 

[CLAX1911]

I've asked Republicans what legislation the GOP has passed on this subject and the only response I get is one long iteration of "duuuuuuuh'

Legislation can't fix this. Why is the only solution you can come up with is Daddy government please save me?

 

[Peter]

The one doing the twisting here is you.

But please tell me who do you think “the people” refers to. And what does it mean through the rest of the constitution.

So, again you just ignore the well regulated militia part?
If the term is meaningless why is it in there?

 

[braindrain]

So, again you just ignore the well regulated militia part?
If the term is meaningless why is it in there?

I am ignoring nothing. I just understand how the English language works.

It explains why the right is important.

And deep down you know it. It’s why you refuse to answer the question.