Netanyahu is a walking, talking antisemitic trope

[oneworld2]

And?

And your pathetic bid to try to make out that it is in any way related to s specific state is, well, pathetic. You should quit needing to be cast as a perpetual victim

No it doesn't. Israel doesn't even target civilians and even the targeting of civilians on its own isn't automatically a genocide.
It's an absurd claim used by terror supporters and antisemites.

Of course when you stop food, water, fuel and meds and/or restrict them for months on end, to claim you are " targeting" anyone in particular falls on its arse in an instance.

When you completely destroy the territory's healthcare system, education system , attack people trying to dish out aid or keep critical infrastructure working, you again fall flat on your arse.

Then we have the dozens of examples of intent to commit genocide and incitement to commit genocide by Israeli state and military personnel.

The accusation, a lot like the accusation that Gaza remained illegally occupied by Israel after the so called disengagement, is built on the application of the applicable laws and conventions.

Your hysterical hissy fits over the application of the law to certain situations and the conflict itself is extremely enlightening

I agree. Hence not a genocide. No intent to throw Gazans out of Gaza, no intent to kill innocent Gazans, etc.

You might be forced to agree but you still choose to live in a bubble of Israeli propaganda. The South African case at the ICJ has literally pages and pages of quotes stating the intention to commit genocide and to incite others to commit it. They have had dozens more since they filed the case and are suffering from an overload of examples.

That's why this will be deemed a genocide. You can deny that reality if you want to but reasonable people won't.

 

[oneworld2]

You would know.

I saved this for a post of its own because it is your usual projection on view again.

You are denying this genocide and will be deemed a genocide denier when the verdict comes in, the examples are written all over this forum and likely others like it.

Name a single post of mine , anywhere on this forum, that denies a genocide. We have literally dozens by you but good luck finding a single one posted by me.

And when you fail you should accept that it's yourself that is the genocide denier and your accusations of the same towards others is just petulant and obvious projection.

 

[Dans La Lune]

80% according to what? Yuval Avarahm and his +972mag (Local Call) far-left paper?
How about we use objective sources for information?

As of May 2025, data from a classified Israeli military intelligence database indicates that approximately 83% of the Palestinians killed in Israel’s war on Gaza were civilians, with 8,900 combatants recorded as killed out of a total of about 53,000 fatalities. This civilian-to-combatant ratio is considered one of the highest in modern warfare, with conflict researchers noting it is nearly unparalleled, surpassed only by events like the Rwandan genocide and the 1995 Srebrenica massacre. The Israeli military did not deny the existence of the database but disputed the figures presented in the report, claiming the data does not reflect the information available in their systems.

• The 83% civilian casualty rate is based on Israeli intelligence data as of May 2025, which recorded 8,900 confirmed or "probably" dead fighters from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ).
• Gaza’s health authorities reported at least 53,000 deaths by that time, implying that civilians accounted for roughly 44,100 of the fatalities.
• The Israeli military has previously inflated fighter death tolls, with public claims reaching up to 20,000, while private assessments suggest lower numbers.
• The high civilian death toll has led rights groups and genocide scholars to argue that the findings support claims of Israel committing genocide in Gaza, citing mass civilian deaths alongside deliberate starvation.

Casualties of the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Dans La Lune]

It is indeed fringe conspiracy talk and you three along with @Craig234 being its proponents is evidence for what I told you about how antisemites are dominating this sub-forum because of their obsession and how this doesn't mean that the people who criticize specific Israeli actions are all antisemites. It's simply a result of the obsession of antisemitic Hamas supporters who promote conspiracy theories and general nuttery why this sub-forum is filled with threads and posts that are completely deranged and filled with hatred.

Do you still believe in the mass rape and beheaded babies propaganda that you were peddling?

 

[Dans La Lune]

Hard-right yes, fascists not really, but it's another word lost in all the Kirk-murder-celebrating far-leftists who call everything they don't agree with fascist.
And back to the point - antisemites don't get to dictate to Jews what is antisemitism, this is something you consistently fail to understand.

There are far-right fascists and legit terrorists in the Israeli government. Ben-Gavir and Smotritch.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Sure, those you consider humans. I bet you celebrated the murders in Manchester the other day.

You're making up shit and arguing against the shit you made up. That's one shitty strawman. Could you be any more dishonest? Well, you do celebrate the Netanyahu government. The fish rots from the head.

 

[Dans La Lune]

And your pathetic bid to try to make out that it is in any way related to s specific state is, well, pathetic. You should quit needing to be cast as a perpetual victim


Of course when you stop food, water, fuel and meds and/or restrict them for months on end, to claim you are " targeting" anyone in particular falls on its arse in an instance.

When you completely destroy the territory's healthcare system, education system , attack people trying to dish out aid or keep critical infrastructure working, you again fall flat on your arse.

Then we have the dozens of examples of intent to commit genocide and incitement to commit genocide by Israeli state and military personnel.

The accusation, a lot like the accusation that Gaza remained illegally occupied by Israel after the so called disengagement, is built on the application of the applicable laws and conventions.

Your hysterical hissy fits over the application of the law to certain situations and the conflict itself is extremely enlightening


You might be forced to agree but you still choose to live in a bubble of Israeli propaganda. The South African case at the ICJ has literally pages and pages of quotes stating the intention to commit genocide and to incite others to commit it. They have had dozens more since they filed the case and are suffering from an overload of examples.

That's why this will be deemed a genocide. You can deny that reality if you want to but reasonable people won't.

The difference between a Liberal Zionist and a Fascist Zionist is rhetoric and pacing, not the end objective. Tolerating displacement, perpetual occupation and random atrocities a piece at a time is no less morally reprehensible than mass genocide when the goals are the same.

 

[oneworld2]

The difference between a Liberal Zionist and a Fascist Zionist is rhetoric and pacing, not the end objective. Tolerating displacement, perpetual occupation and random atrocities a piece at a time is no less morally reprehensible than mass genocide when the goals are the same.

Couldn't agree more.

That's why when people say that it's only Netanyahu or Likud etc they are missing precisely that reality.

 

[Apocalypse]

And your pathetic bid to try to make out that it is in any way related to s specific state is, well, pathetic. You should quit needing to be cast as a perpetual victim

I haven't claimed that the definition was made to relate to a specific state, your reply is unhinged.

Of course when you stop food, water, fuel and meds and/or restrict them for months on end, to claim you are " targeting" anyone in particular falls on its arse in an instance.

Food was restricted to prevent Hamas from gaining resources and siege warfare is legal. The fact that Israeli taxpayers have paid to feed Gazan civilians perfectly demonstrates they weren't the target. It's not a supported argument.

When you completely destroy the territory's healthcare system, education system

You mean carefully target the terrorist targets that were once hospitals, mosques, schools, etc. and are now storage for rockets, ammunition and terrorist militants.

Then we have the dozens of examples of intent to commit genocide and incitement to commit genocide by Israeli state and military personnel.

It's nonsense.

You might be forced to agree but you still choose to live in a bubble of Israeli propaganda. The South African case at the ICJ has literally pages and pages of quotes stating the intention to commit genocide and to incite others to commit it. They have had dozens more since they filed the case and are suffering from an overload of examples.

That's why this will be deemed a genocide. You can deny that reality if you want to but reasonable people won't.

The ones who deny reality are those who repeat this lie hoping it will become the truth.
There is no intent to harm civilians, there is no intent to make Gaza a land for people who aren't its current inhabitants, there is every intent to get rid of Hamas. That is righteous and legitimate.
The ICJ is a joke.

 

[Apocalypse]

You are denying this genocide

I deny that targeting terrorists whether by US in Afghanistan or by Israel in Gaza is a genocide, yes. I choose to believe that words have meaning.
You'd be surprised to learn that the majority of the Western democracies do not echo the assertion that this is a genocide. Only 3 antisemitic-governed ones do.

Name a single post of mine , anywhere on this forum, that denies a genocide.

Start with your obsessive idiotic conspiracy theory nonsense on October 7th.

 

[Apocalypse]

As of May 2025, data from a classified Israeli military intelligence database indicates that approximately 83% of the Palestinians killed in Israel’s war on Gaza were civilians, with 8,900 combatants recorded as killed out of a total of about 53,000 fatalities. This civilian-to-combatant ratio is considered one of the highest in modern warfare, with conflict researchers noting it is nearly unparalleled, surpassed only by events like the Rwandan genocide and the 1995 Srebrenica massacre. The Israeli military did not deny the existence of the database but disputed the figures presented in the report, claiming the data does not reflect the information available in their systems.

• The 83% civilian casualty rate is based on Israeli intelligence data as of May 2025, which recorded 8,900 confirmed or "probably" dead fighters from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ).
• Gaza’s health authorities reported at least 53,000 deaths by that time, implying that civilians accounted for roughly 44,100 of the fatalities.
• The Israeli military has previously inflated fighter death tolls, with public claims reaching up to 20,000, while private assessments suggest lower numbers.
• The high civilian death toll has led rights groups and genocide scholars to argue that the findings support claims of Israel committing genocide in Gaza, citing mass civilian deaths alongside deliberate starvation.

Casualties of the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah that's from a far-leftist nutter called Yuval Avraham and his +972Mag/Local Call paper, he's extremely biased being on the side of terrorists and he is spreading a lot of nonsense that antisemites then repeat on DebatePolitics quite often.
In short I'm saying you have nothing.

 

[Apocalypse]

There are far-right fascists and legit terrorists in the Israeli government. Ben-Gavir and Smotritch.

They're clowns and they are hard-right. They're not fascist, no more than you are.

 

[Apocalypse]

You're making up shit and arguing against the shit you made up. That's one shitty strawman. Could you be any more dishonest? Well, you do celebrate the Netanyahu government. The fish rots from the head.

I didn't vote for Netanyahu, and the poster I referred to probably did celebrate the murders since the victims were Jews and he has no sympathy for Jews and never did.

 

[Apocalypse]

The difference between a Liberal Zionist and a Fascist Zionist is rhetoric and pacing, not the end objective.

Don't you mean the difference between a liberal and a fascist? Adding the 'Zionist' part appears to be quite antisemitic and reeks of a racist ideology.

Tolerating displacement, perpetual occupation and random atrocities a piece at a time is no less morally reprehensible than mass genocide when the goals are the same.

There is every right to pursue the eradication of Hamas, it's a noble cause. The only moral position is to support Israel doing so while hoping it minimizes civilian casualties as much as possible.

 

[bomberfox]

Hard-right yes, fascists not really, but it's another word lost in all the Kirk-murder-celebrating far-leftists who call everything they don't agree with fascist.
And back to the point - antisemites don't get to dictate to Jews what is antisemitism, this is something you consistently fail to understand.

Supporting fascists made him a fascist. Contributing (bussing people) to the first breach of the peaceful transfer of power lead by a sitting president made him an enemy of the constitution but i guess as long as they support israel its…. Fine i guess…

 

[Felis Leo]

Supporting fascists made him a fascist. Contributing to the first breach of the peaceful transfer of power lead by a sitting president made him an enemy of the constitution.

Yep. Just like that lovely little aphorism floating on the internet, "As we say in Germany, if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis."

 

[Apocalypse]

Supporting fascists made him a fascist. Contributing (bussing people) to the first breach of the peaceful transfer of power lead by a sitting president made him an enemy of the constitution but i guess as long as they support israel its…. Fine i guess…

What fascists supported?
You can't just call everything you disagree with 'fascist', words have meaning.
This is how you end up murdering the opposition like what they did to silence Kirk.

 

[oneworld2]

I deny that targeting terrorists whether by US in Afghanistan or by Israel in Gaza is a genocide, yes.

The only thing you target when you deny an entire people food, water, fuel and meds is that entire people.

Nobody with any sense buys this bs about " we are only targeting terrorists" especially when you have done your level best to assist the very people you are calling terrorists.

It's a scam and people all over the world can see it as one.

I choose to believe that words have meaning.

Nope, you selectively decide on the meaning of words to suit your bigoted and biased position as an Israeli terrorist propagandist. That's a different thing altogether

You'd be surprised to learn that the majority of the Western democracies do not echo the assertion that this is a genocide. Only 3 antisemitic-governed ones do.

That's because they are scared of a US backlash and fake charges of antisemitism, not because they really believe this isn't a genocide. The same countries either vote against or abstain from votes on a just resolution of the conflict using international law and have done for decades.

The ones who will decide are the ones who should decide, the judges from the highest court in the world that was set up precisely to make these calls

Start with your obsessive idiotic conspiracy theory nonsense on October 7th.

Says the guy who peddled the 40 beheaded babies shite and still claims a " mass rape" when the Israeli team responsible for making the case haven't got a single case with which to make a start and have relied on a whole host of Israeli liars and nutcases to spread this bs.

Just to be clear you haven't offered a single example of me denying a genocide but we have dozens upon dozens of posts where you do, as i said, you are the genocide denier here, not me

 

[oneworld2]

Sure, those you consider humans. I bet you celebrated the murders in Manchester the other day.

Nobody will be more happy about the Manchester murder crimes at the synagogue more than Israeli propagandists like you, it's the oxygen you need to carry on terrorizing your neighbours and stifling any criticism of it.

Your compulsion to project and dance on the graves of anyone in service to your own state 's racist and fascist ideology is legendary.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Don't you mean the difference between a liberal and a fascist? Adding the 'Zionist' part appears to be quite antisemitic and reeks of a racist ideology.

What? No, liberal Zionism is a thing. And there are MANY fascist Zionists. Not all of which are Jewish.

There is every right to pursue the eradication of Hamas, it's a noble cause.

From the perspective of a Palestinian who has lost hundreds of family members due to Israel's bloodlust and colonization, it's a noble cause to seek the eradication of Israelis.

 

[Dans La Lune]

I didn't vote for Netanyahu,

You support his efforts 100%.

and the poster I referred to probably did celebrate the murders since the victims were Jews and he has no sympathy for Jews and never did.

"Probably did"

You have the intellectual honesty of an Israeli hasbara propagandist.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Examples of fascist Zionists: