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Need for Education Reform

Riiiiight...take from the rich and give to the poor. Build an economy on that...good luck...let us know how it all works out.

Take from the rich and give to the poor? Is that what you got out of my post?

That kind of philosophy is based on the idea that the size of the pie is fixed, and that one person getting a big piece means someone else gets a small piece. That isn't what I said at all, quite the opposite in fact. Check it out again: I'm for baking a bigger pie, so everyone can have a bigger piece.

Redistribution of wealth isn't the way to go, creating more wealth is the way to go.
 
Take from the rich and give to the poor? Is that what you got out of my post?

That kind of philosophy is based on the idea that the size of the pie is fixed, and that one person getting a big piece means someone else gets a small piece. That isn't what I said at all, quite the opposite in fact. Check it out again: I'm for baking a bigger pie, so everyone can have a bigger piece.

Redistribution of wealth isn't the way to go, creating more wealth is the way to go.
Precisely. And highly skewed distributions of wealth are not good for creating more wealth.
 
1-Would it help if I said 'acting' like one? instead of being one?
2-As a small business owner you know that the ONLY way to grow is to have access to your investment capital, have a product that is marketable, and has as little government intervention as possible
3-Trickle down economics is how any business that is successful WORKS. If YOU are successful in YOUR small business you have the opportunity to hire others...of course...they wont make the same as you...nor SHOULD they...and if you are REALLY successful you will grow MORE. And as you grow and employ more people, you create investors, consumers, who buy products goods and services...yours and others...which spawns GREATER need for jobs...its how it WORKS. It is in fact the ONLY way it works. Or do you see those greedy capitalists making mounds of cash and then burying it in their back yard? Of course not...they INVEST. It ABSOLUTELY is supply side economics. Really...you have a small business??? You want a great example of supply side, trickle down economics? The evil empire...Walmart. Those evil greeedy bastards that employ HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS and provide insurance, education opportunities, job experience, supervisory experience, etc.
4-Typically...the people that believe that about Reaganomics are crippled and dependent pets that vote for politicians due to the promise that if elected they will take care of them by taking more of the wealth from those that have DEMONSTRATED an ability to succeed.

There's a thread in the economics forum where I already disproved ignorance of your kind. Go find it.
 
Riiiiight...take from the rich and give to the poor. Build an economy on that...good luck...let us know how it all works out.
Looking around at the rest of the western world... yup seems to be working. Looking at American history... yup, seems to have worked before Reagan.
 
Precisely. And highly skewed distributions of wealth are not good for creating more wealth.

No, they are not. The average person, as I said, has to have money in order for the economy to work. That isn't accomplished by forceably taking money from one person and giving it to someone else, but by having opportunities for anyone who wants to help keep the wheels of commerce spinning.
 
Precisely. And highly skewed distributions of wealth are not good for creating more wealth.
According to who? Based on what reason?

What specific hurdles are in your way in your efforts to gain more wealth?

The U.S. ranks among the highest in terms of ease of entering the market.
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ease_of_Doing_Business_Index]Ease of Doing Business Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

The only thing in your way, is you.
 
According to who? Based on what reason?

What specific hurdles are in your way in your efforts to gain more wealth?

The U.S. ranks among the highest in terms of ease of entering the market.
Ease of Doing Business Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The only thing in your way, is you.
This isn't about the ability to enter a market as a vendor. This is about the ability of a vendor to find customers. When wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few, there are simply fewer customers. Even someone like Henry Ford recognized that he needed to pay his workers enough so they could afford to by his product. China, for example, is working to bolster domestic demand because they cannot grow further based only on exports.

Look at the distribution of wealth curves in wealthy industrialized nations and compare them to the same statistics in third-world countries.
 
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Attempting to realign thread.

There is no solution to the parent problem, I would never suggest that there is. I would suggest that people stop blaming teachers though and accept that poor parenting and unmotivated students are skewing teacher and education stats in this country though.

So what then can be done to combat the bold section above? What should be done about poor parenting and unmotivated students? Seems the biggest issue as to resolving this issue is that no one has provided a sufficient answer.

What is causing this poor parenting? What can we do to address this cause?

What is causing the students to be unmotivated? If its unrelated to the parenting question, what can we do to motivate the children?

If the bold section is a main cause ( or even just a significant cause) of the current state of education in the US, why not take money out of methods that do not address it and put money into methods that do address this the parenting/unmotivated problem?
 
Take from the rich and give to the poor? Is that what you got out of my post?

That kind of philosophy is based on the idea that the size of the pie is fixed, and that one person getting a big piece means someone else gets a small piece. That isn't what I said at all, quite the opposite in fact. Check it out again: I'm for baking a bigger pie, so everyone can have a bigger piece.

Redistribution of wealth isn't the way to go, creating more wealth is the way to go.

Creating more wealth only happens when government allows people access to their own resources and then stays relatively clear. Highly motivated individuals have built massively successful businesses which then go on to create MORE successful businesses...picture Bill gates working out of his garage, eventually to create Microsoft. How many people are employed because of that business venture?

Who would you have bake the pie? How?
 
Looking around at the rest of the western world... yup seems to be working. Looking at American history... yup, seems to have worked before Reagan.

"the rest?" really? Canada with its tax rates? England with its dole rates? Mexico with its continued unemplyment?

Its not hard to see why you owned a 'small' business.
 
This isn't about the ability to enter a market as a vendor. This is about the ability of a vendor to find customers. When wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few, there are simply fewer customers. Even someone like Henry Ford recognized that he needed to pay his workers enough so they could afford to by his product. China, for example, is working to bolster domestic demand because they cannot grow further based only on exports.

Look at the distribution of wealth curves in wealthy industrialized nations and compare them to the same statistics in third-world countries.

I have no problem with paying workers a fair wage. I am pretty sure that was discussed...employing people...translation...creating consumers. The real question comes to how you propose to get that wealth distributed. By choice? By taxes? Certainly not by unions...we have seen the debacle there...so if it is NOT a free market with minimal government intervention...how do you propose we achieve nirvana?
 
Creating more wealth only happens when government allows people access to their own resources and then stays relatively clear. Highly motivated individuals have built massively successful businesses which then go on to create MORE successful businesses...picture Bill gates working out of his garage, eventually to create Microsoft. How many people are employed because of that business venture?

Who would you have bake the pie? How?

Bill Gates and his empire are a great example of what can happen when creative individuals are allowed to create. Yes, an enormous amount of wealth was created by Microsoft, no question, and most of the jobs created pay a living wage. That is an example of an American success story.

Another great American success story is Henry Ford. Ford created something else that is essential to our society: The assembly line. He also paid his workers double the prevailing wage, in the understanding that there would not be a market for mass produced goods if the workers making those goods could not afford to buy them.
 
Bill Gates and his empire are a great example of what can happen when creative individuals are allowed to create. Yes, an enormous amount of wealth was created by Microsoft, no question, and most of the jobs created pay a living wage. That is an example of an American success story.

Another great American success story is Henry Ford. Ford created something else that is essential to our society: The assembly line. He also paid his workers double the prevailing wage, in the understanding that there would not be a market for mass produced goods if the workers making those goods could not afford to buy them.

Kinda the same thing I have said since the beginning. Businessmen are smart. Sure...profit drives them...but without consumers you dont grow. So there is incentive to pay FAIR wage. WITHOUT government intervention.
 
Kinda the same thing I have said since the beginning. Businessmen are smart. Sure...profit drives them...but without consumers you dont grow. So there is incentive to pay FAIR wage. WITHOUT government intervention.

Yes, there is. The problem is this: If I have a business that competes with you, and I'm paying significantly less in wages, then I have an unfair advantage. Meanwhile, all of the businesses that do pay a decent wage still create a market for my goods. Pretty soon, I've taken over most of the market share and priced you out of business. Repeat many times over, and no one is paying a living wage any longer, so the markets collapse, and we all lose.

What is the solution to that one ?
 
Yes, there is. The problem is this: If I have a business that competes with you, and I'm paying significantly less in wages, then I have an unfair advantage. Meanwhile, all of the businesses that do pay a decent wage still create a market for my goods. Pretty soon, I've taken over most of the market share and priced you out of business. Repeat many times over, and no one is paying a living wage any longer, so the markets collapse, and we all lose.

What is the solution to that one ?
Right, this is called the "fallacy of composition." Sure, we know we need consumers for our products, but higher wages mean smaller profit margins, so every employer has an even more immediate incentive to offer lower wages to improve their bottom line than they do to offer higher wages to improve demand. If this were not true, we would not see the outsourcing of labor costs at every opportunity.
 
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Attempting to realign thread.



So what then can be done to combat the bold section above? What should be done about poor parenting and unmotivated students? Seems the biggest issue as to resolving this issue is that no one has provided a sufficient answer.

What is causing this poor parenting? What can we do to address this cause?

What is causing the students to be unmotivated? If its unrelated to the parenting question, what can we do to motivate the children?

If the bold section is a main cause ( or even just a significant cause) of the current state of education in the US, why not take money out of methods that do not address it and put money into methods that do address this the parenting/unmotivated problem?

The cause is lack of family unity. Lack of family unity is caused by the need to have 2+ incomes in order to feed the greed. Parents are absent from the majority of the child's life.
 
Right, this is called the "fallacy of composition." Sure, we know we need consumers for our products, but higher wages mean smaller profit margins, so every employer has an even more immediate incentive to offer lower wages to improve their bottom line than they do to offer higher wages to improve demand. If this were not true, we would not see the outsourcing of labor costs at every opportunity.

I think this is where we bring up executive pay... but in another thread. Please?
 
There are many ways to evaluate how much the students are learning. Say, for example, that the goal is that students be able to write a paragraph that calls more attention to its content than to the errors it contains. Maybe we want to teach children the difference between fact and opinion, and how to support opinion with fact. Now, we could give them a bunch of questions of the which of these is a fact, which sentence is punctuated correctly variety, and have then sit for hours filling in bubbles. We could also have them write a paragraph expressing an opinion, and supporting it with facts. Currently, we do our evaluation the first way. The second way would be much quicker, and would give a better idea of students' capabilities.

Evaluating a school based on student learning is more complex than simply comparing test scores, as not all schools have the same demographics. If a school populated by the children of college professors has student outcomes only a little better than one populated by farmworkers' kids, which school is doing a better job? Further, if test scores are low, is it because kids aren't learning, or because they just don't care about the test itself? Multiple measures are needed to find than answer.
There may be ways to evaluate a school's performance other than by standardized tests, but I don't know if there is a BETTER way.

The Std Tests do not require exhaustive knowledge of arcane facts. They are primarily a way to find out if a student has learned ANYTHING AT ALL for the time and money spent on providing them their education.

Those who bemoan the fact that teachers are 'teaching the test' don't know what they are talking about.

Teachers teach to a curriculum. The test is designed to pick off the most elementary parts of that curriculum to see how effectively the learning process was conducted.

To me, those who say 'let teachers teach what they want to' are the ones responsible for schools turning out graduates who know nothing particularly valuable.

There is nothing wrong with EXPANDING what is taught BEYOND the basic curriculum, but it should not be done at the expense of the basic fundamentals that underly the curriculum.

If a student cannot solve a simple linear equation, he should not graduate high school with a valid diploma. end of story.

If a student cannot write a cogent paragraph free of gross grammatical errors, he should not graduate with a valid diploma. end of story.

If a student does not know the basic structure of our government, he should not . . . . . . . eos.

If a student does not have any concept of the anatomy of the human body, he should not ...... eos.

If a student does not know when the Declaration of Independence was signed, he . . . . . eos.

In short, in four years of high school, it is important that SOMETHING be learned and that SOME skills are obtained, or else a diploma certifying a basic education should not be awarded.

This is what these standardized tests try to gauge.

And it is not about a student who 'is just not good at taking a test' either. If a student is too stupid to select a correct answer from a list of four answers and color in the corresponding letter on a scan-tron card, when said question was "Who was the first president of the United States?" then just what IS such a student capable of doing that would merit an educational achievement certification.

To argue against standardized testing is to argue for lazy teachers who either don't know the material they are teaching, or don't care whether their students learn anything or not - just promoting them for putting in time.

And I don't buy all the stories about teaching the basic curriculum deprives the teacher of teaching their students 'more important stuff' - if there is more important stuff than the basic curriculum, then please propose it to REPLACE the standard curriculum.

I'm afraid that these 'more important' topics consist of the teachers telling stories of what they did over the weekend, engaging in bull sessions with the students, or just letting the students 'explore' their world during class time.

As I said - I like to go BEYOND the curriculum, but before I do that, I make sure that the BASIC stuff is well understood, because if the basics are not understood, I don't understand how more advance stuff could possibly be understood.

DISCLAIMER - I do NOT like the idea of "No Child Left Behind" taken to the extreme that the Depts of Education have taken it. The original intent of NCLB makes sense, but what does NOT make sense is to allow one or two students in a class to put the halt on a progress toward advancement of the rest of the class to a full education.

I tell my classes, that we will slow the train down for a few days to allow you to run and catch up to it, but if you make no effort, then you will be given the opportunity to take the next train that comes by - next year. TaTa for now.
 
30 years of Reaganomics has decimated our country. We are no longer the world leader in anything except technological innovation for profit, Pharma development and medical research for profit, Consumer spending and Debt creation and of course, Conventional Military might.
Our populace is getting dumber, our infrastructure is crumbling and our government is out of the peoples control.

While other countries are making progress in social order, infrastructure and education to help move their societies forward, we have a large portion of our country trying to keep us from doing anything that doesn't turn a profit for a corporation. We've been convinced that greed is good and the only way to maintain or advance our wealth is to do whatever is best for corporate interests. The people get a bone thrown at them occasionally when enough people bitch or when some corporation gets cought with it's fingers in the cookie jar (that belongs to the people).

Education funding is constantly held up as a place to cut spending which is perfect if you want to keep the majority stupid so that they are easily manipulated and controlled. No reform will come to our system in any areas meaningful to the people until we've learned our lesson on greed and corporate involvement/collusion with our government. I'm afraid that will take a while longer because of the ignorance of our populace and the strength of our corporate influence.

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And exactly what would you propose?? I see that the overwhelming object of your hate is directed toward the 'evil corporation.'

Do you really think this? all on your own? or are you just regurgitating a simplistic slogan taught you by the statists who want a non-educated populace that can be influenced by silly slogans and do not possess the academic skills to obtain a good job that will allow them to participate in the "technological innovation for profit, Pharma development and medical research for profit" which you say is ruining America.

America was once a nation that produced stuff and make all the importance innovations that drive the modern economy. Now we seem to be slipping into a service economy where we just let other countries do the producing and we are content to serve them their tea and crumpets for a subsistance wage.

What happened?? the dumbing down of our populace. They are no longer capable of being the producers of the new industries created by our few 'innovators' who escape the mediocracy of our educational system. So we have to hire others to do the 'dirty work' of production and we just offer to shine their shoes for whatever tips they toss our way - all the while being 'taught' to feel good about ourselves and take no responsibility for what has happened to us.

You sound like a fan of unions - a once useful institution that has outgrown its effectiveness and now serves as a huge millstone on the economy and pushes for a watered down curriculum and a greater sense of entitlement for untalented people.
 
This isn't about the ability to enter a market as a vendor. This is about the ability of a vendor to find customers. When wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few, there are simply fewer customers. Even someone like Henry Ford recognized that he needed to pay his workers enough so they could afford to by his product. China, for example, is working to bolster domestic demand because they cannot grow further based only on exports.

Look at the distribution of wealth curves in wealthy industrialized nations and compare them to the same statistics in third-world countries.

You got the exactly wrong impression from your Henry Ford reference. He recognized that he needed to find a way to build a car CHEAPLY enoughs so that the workers who helped build them could afford to buy them - along with the millions of OTHER workers who could afford to buy them.

He didn't just "pay his workers enough so they could buy one" - that would not have earned him a single cent, because if their pay scale had to be increased beyond the worth of what they produced, then none of the other similar workers in other fields could afford to buy one.

Henry Ford didn't go to all the other industries and tell them to increase their wages so their workers could afford to buy his products.

He found a way to produce the things within the cost structure that would allow him a profit after ordinary workers found they could afford to buy it.
 
Actually, that happens in every successful economy on earth. Every industrial nation makes transfer payments, just some do it more than others. A lack of transfer payments characterizes LESS successful economies--and even there governments provide for the less fortunate to stave off starvation or other calamities. If they don't, they get riot and unrest and are ultimately replaced.

Remember Marie Antoinette's "Let them eat cake?" What happened to her?

Please expand on your theory that we can grow an economy if we just take money away from the producers and give it to those who don't have any money.

And please include in your brief how you decide how much is "enough" to give to those who don't have any money and how you will convince them that "this" is 'enough' for you.

I really want someone with this point of view to expound on it. Every time I have tried to wander down the logic of this argument I immediately come upon an instant contradiction of the way the world works.

And for starters, I would suggest that you take all your excess money and go downtown - or to any underprivileged place of your choice - and put up a table with the money on in and a sign that says - "take all you need, but please don't take any more than you need.'

Then come back at the end of the week and see what is left - Of course you will do this every week that you end up with more money than the average poor person you are concerned about.

Be a leader - stand up for what you believe - make a difference - do this bottom up percolation thingy.

and let us know how it turns out for ya.


But short of the real-world experiment - PLEASE give us the Cliff Notes outline of how your spread-the-wealth bottom up approach grows the economy.

Just a few points - I need to know where my logic fails in my analysis of this same idea.
 
Right, this is called the "fallacy of composition." Sure, we know we need consumers for our products, but higher wages mean smaller profit margins, so every employer has an even more immediate incentive to offer lower wages to improve their bottom line than they do to offer higher wages to improve demand. If this were not true, we would not see the outsourcing of labor costs at every opportunity.
Where does this line of thought come from ???

You say you run a business??? What kind of business?????

When I owned a business, I figured out how much I could afford to pay my employees to provide the service that I sold. If that was not enough for me to attract the kind of employee I felt I needed who could perform the service I needed, then I just didn't hire anyone at all until I found a way to reduce my COST to make it worth my while to provide the service.

There is no need - nor is it wise - to pay an employee more than is required to make a profit. If you are abusive in your payscale, then you will not be able to retain employees - or you will be forced to hire people who will not be able to meet your requirements for quality.

I always ended up paying more than minimum wage or what my competitors paid, because I wanted to be very selective in who I hired. I wanted good people to come to me to work for me because of my payscale. But I NEVER had the idea - hmmmmmmm - I need to increase my business, so I think I will just double everyone's salary.

I WOULD think of expanding my business by hire MORE empoyees to do more work to increase the amount of quality stuff I had to sell.

Just what sort of business did you run that operated on this principle you advocate???????
 
You've challenged me in three different posts to a single post I've made. Kinda tough, particularly when we've already been reminded that we are off-topic. In brief, then:

Ford invented an assembly line, but he didn't have to pay his workers more because of it. His profit margins would have been higher had he not done so, but he would have sold. fewer units, and producing more units was the point of the assembly line.

Times when we have high levels of income inequality tend to lead to economic bubbles. The inequality of the 1990's was equal to the inequality of the 1920's. In 1980, the top 1% earned about 9% of income--up from 8% in 1970. Three years ago, that 1% earned about 21% of all income, roughly equal to 1927. There's a pattern there.

Lots of very successful nations have lower rates of inequality than we do--in fact, every other industrialized nation falls into that category. And by most measures of happiness, they are doing better than we are. They enjoy more leisure, they are healthier, they have more social cohesion.

Certainly there are advantages to living as we do, where every individual is more at risk, but if we value the greatest good for the greatest number, our system doesn't work so well.

We can tie this back into my main argument in the thread, which is that our first priority should be to equalize the opportunity for education. Currently, people in rich neighborhoods and with money for expensive higher education have much better opportunities than those outside those rarefied privileges. That means some Americans will not get as much education as they might use, education that would make them more productive and benefit everyone.
 
There may be ways to evaluate a school's performance other than by standardized tests, but I don't know if there is a BETTER way.

There are many ways. Multiple measures is better than relying on one that has obvious weaknesses.

The Std Tests do not require exhaustive knowledge of arcane facts. They are primarily a way to find out if a student has learned ANYTHING AT ALL for the time and money spent on providing them their education.

Those who bemoan the fact that teachers are 'teaching the test' don't know what they are talking about.

Teachers teach to a curriculum. The test is designed to pick off the most elementary parts of that curriculum to see how effectively the learning process was conducted.

Yes, they teach a curriculum, one that is dictated by what is on the test. It is the test maker that determines what is taught, not the needs of the students.

To me, those who say 'let teachers teach what they want to' are the ones responsible for schools turning out graduates who know nothing particularly valuable.

There is nothing wrong with EXPANDING what is taught BEYOND the basic curriculum, but it should not be done at the expense of the basic fundamentals that underly the curriculum.

If a student cannot solve a simple linear equation, he should not graduate high school with a valid diploma. end of story.

If a student cannot write a cogent paragraph free of gross grammatical errors, he should not graduate with a valid diploma. end of story.

If a student does not know the basic structure of our government, he should not . . . . . . . eos.

If a student does not have any concept of the anatomy of the human body, he should not ...... eos.

If a student does not know when the Declaration of Independence was signed, he . . . . . eos.

In short, in four years of high school, it is important that SOMETHING be learned and that SOME skills are obtained, or else a diploma certifying a basic education should not be awarded.


Couldn't those things be addressed in a graduation test? Why test kids every year, starting in Kindergarten? Why would elementary school kids even care how well they did on a test that takes hours to take?

This is what these standardized tests try to gauge.

And it is not about a student who 'is just not good at taking a test' either. If a student is too stupid to select a correct answer from a list of four answers and color in the corresponding letter on a scan-tron card, when said question was "Who was the first president of the United States?" then just what IS such a student capable of doing that would merit an educational achievement certification.

How about actually writing a cogent paragraph that calls more attention to its content than to its errors? Wouldn't that be a better measure than filling in bubbles?

To argue against standardized testing is to argue for lazy teachers who either don't know the material they are teaching, or don't care whether their students learn anything or not - just promoting them for putting in time.

And I don't buy all the stories about teaching the basic curriculum deprives the teacher of teaching their students 'more important stuff' - if there is more important stuff than the basic curriculum, then please propose it to REPLACE the standard curriculum.

I'm afraid that these 'more important' topics consist of the teachers telling stories of what they did over the weekend, engaging in bull sessions with the students, or just letting the students 'explore' their world during class time.

Or, maybe vocational education that will enable students to actually earn a living on graduation from high school. That might be more useful for the three quarters or so who don't go on to college.

DISCLAIMER - I do NOT like the idea of "No Child Left Behind" taken to the extreme that the Depts of Education have taken it. The original intent of NCLB makes sense, but what does NOT make sense is to allow one or two students in a class to put the halt on a progress toward advancement of the rest of the class to a full education.

I tell my classes, that we will slow the train down for a few days to allow you to run and catch up to it, but if you make no effort, then you will be given the opportunity to take the next train that comes by - next year. TaTa for now.

You can't do that. If you don't get all of the students on the train, they it is you who has failed, not the students. That is the premise of NCLB, not that you can slow the train or send another one next year, but that it is your job to see that they all make it. No excuses about low IQ, lack of support at home, no motivation, lack of preparation in earlier grades, etc. It is up to you, the teacher, to not leave any of them behind.

The premise is fatally flawed.
 
I think I agree with all you said.

However, to add a few clarifications:

As for the content of the test, have you ever examined one??? It is quite basic information that is being asked to be demonstrated. An overwhelming majority of this information can be captured in a multiple choice test. This gives the poorer students the luxury of being able to use his iintellect (or education) to sort thru the choices and eliminate some of the choices. This is an important skill in and of itself - to be able to separate possible and impossible outcomes. Even if the student is unable to obtain the exact answer on his own, then at least he can make an educated guess.

There are constructed response questions and short answer questions where the student must come up with their answer without any additional cues or hints as to what correct answer may be.

These latter questions are time consuming to grade because note must be taken of poor handwriting and composition.

Therefore, multiple choice tests are a necessity to test and evaluate a large number of students in a short time. And since the objective of the tests is to measure only basic understanding, they do quite well at that. Nothing else merits the time nor expense of more in-depth testing.

I believe these tests are required - to make sure that all teachers at least have a common set of absolute basics to be sure and adequately cover in their courses. There is plenty of opportunity to deviate from this core set of basics to enrich the course to whatever extent the teacher wants to.

That is - if the students come to them prepared to absorb the material presented. My experience has shown that something is going wrong in earlier grades which permits students to advance who have no skills appropriate to a high school educational environment.

Administrators are overriding the testing results by passing unqualified students on to the upper levels.
 
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