Nearly 600 die of the heat as Europe bakes in 100+ degree temperatures

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Not nearly as many that will die of the heat this summer. I'm not one who believes there's still time to let green policies save the say. I believe we are already past the point of no return. Man's inability to act to save the planet from destruction is in evidence. Nothing to do but sit back and watch the sh*t show as it unfolds.

I would not be so sure, normally deaths from cold far exceed deaths from heat, and with more people not able to
afford to heat their homes this winter, I suspect the cold death count to be much higher than normal.

 

[Napoleon]

There’s no good reason to freak out over every anomalous weather event. The climate in the UK and Europe at large is nowhere near where it was during the Roman occupation or during the Medieval Warm Period. Europe has a well documented history of relatively rapid oscillation between warm and cool periods.

 

[watsup]

There’s no good reason to freak out over every anomalous weather event. The climate in the UK and Europe at large is nowhere near where it was during the Roman occupation or during the Medieval Warm Period. Europe has a well documented history of relatively rapid oscillation between warm and cool periods.

What if the anomalous weather events are becoming more frequent and more extreme over time, which seems to be the case? And what if human actions could lessen that, given that it is human actions that are apparently causing it (AGW).

 

[PoS]

Right, it's their collective imagination that's causing them to die of heatstroke. Climate change driven heat waves aren't real.

LOL heatwaves are weather events, not climate. Anyone with half a brain knows that.

There’s no good reason to freak out over every anomalous weather event. The climate in the UK and Europe at large is nowhere near where it was during the Roman occupation or during the Medieval Warm Period. Europe has a well documented history of relatively rapid oscillation between warm and cool periods.

The climate cult neo-luddites wants to keep everyone in fear, how else would they keep the idiots in line if they dont scare them every day?

 

[Napoleon]

What if the anomalous weather events are becoming more frequent and more extreme over time, which seems to be the case? And what if human actions could lessen that, given that it is human actions that are apparently causing it (AGW).

I think that if you’re going to throw out buzzwords like “extreme” then you need to define what that means. An anomalous weather event doesn’t mean anything. Especially in a region where rapid climate change has occurred many times throughout human history.

 

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We should remember that heat waves have very little effect on the average temperature!
(and it works the other way also!)
2021 heat wave
There are plenty of news stories from last years heat waves, and people speculating
about the heat and AGW.
And then at the end of the year comes the actual data, and we find out that the average temp for 2021,
was 0.17C cooler than 2020!
GISS temperature

 

[Napoleon]

We should remember that heat waves have very little effect on the average temperature!
(and it works the other way also!)
2021 heat wave
There are plenty of news stories from last years heat waves, and people speculating
about the heat and AGW.
And then at the end of the year comes the actual data, and we find out that the average temp for 2021,
was 0.17C cooler than 2020!
GISS temperature
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Every heatwave in Europe is framed by the media as an “unprecedented” apocalypse. I guess people forgot the anomalous heatwave in 2003 that killed around 15,000 people in France.

 

[watsup]

heatwaves are weather events, not climate.

Are weather and climate related in any way?

 

[watsup]

I think that if you’re going to throw out buzzwords like “extreme” then you need to define what that means. An anomalous weather event doesn’t mean anything. Especially in a region where rapid climate change has occurred many times throughout human history.

What is causing the climate change this time?
And yes, record-breaking heat waves across Europe and in many places in the US at the same time can be considered as “extreme” weather.

 

[watsup]

Every heatwave in Europe is framed by the media as an “unprecedented” apocalypse. I guess people forgot the anomalous heatwave in 2003 that killed around 15,000 people in France.

Again, these so-called “anomalous” events seem to be occurring more often. What could be the cause?

 

[PoS]

Are weather and climate related in any way?

Look up the difference, but I doubt if you will.

 

[watsup]

Look up the difference, but I doubt if you will.

Are weather and climate related in any way? Are you unable to answer this question, or just afraid to?

 

[Gateman_Wen]

LOL heatwaves are weather events, not climate. Anyone with half a brain knows that.



The climate cult neo-luddites wants to keep everyone in fear, how else would they keep the idiots in line if they dont scare them every day?

 

[Napoleon]

Again, these so-called “anomalous” events seem to be occurring more often. What could be the cause?

Show your work.

 

[watsup]

Show your work.

“The number of disasters, such as floods and heatwaves, driven by climate change have increased fivefold over the past 50 years, killing more than 2 million people and costing $3.64 trillion in total losses, a U.N. agency said on Wednesday.
The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says its "Atlas" is the most comprehensive review of mortality and economic losses from weather, water and climate extremes ever produced.
It surveys some 11,000 disasters occurring between 1970-2019, including major catastrophes such as Ethiopia's 1983 drought, which was the single most fatal event with 300,000 deaths, and Hurricane Katrina in 2005 that was the most costly, with losses of $163.61 billion.
The report showed an accelerating trend, with the number of disasters increasing nearly fivefold from the 1970s to the most recent decade, adding to signs that extreme weather events are becoming more frequent due to global warming.”

Extreme weather events are five times more frequent due to climate change

Weather-related disasters driven by climate change have killed more than 2 million people and cost $3.64 trillion since the 1970s.

www.weforum.org

 

[Napoleon]

“The number of disasters, such as floods and heatwaves, driven by climate change have increased fivefold over the past 50 years, killing more than 2 million people and costing $3.64 trillion in total losses, a U.N. agency said on Wednesday.
The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says its "Atlas" is the most comprehensive review of mortality and economic losses from weather, water and climate extremes ever produced.
It surveys some 11,000 disasters occurring between 1970-2019, including major catastrophes such as Ethiopia's 1983 drought, which was the single most fatal event with 300,000 deaths, and Hurricane Katrina in 2005 that was the most costly, with losses of $163.61 billion.
The report showed an accelerating trend, with the number of disasters increasing nearly fivefold from the 1970s to the most recent decade, adding to signs that extreme weather events are becoming more frequent due to global warming.”

Extreme weather events are five times more frequent due to climate change

Weather-related disasters driven by climate change have killed more than 2 million people and cost $3.64 trillion since the 1970s.

www.weforum.org

You’re not connecting the dots here. Show your work in terms of how a drought in Ethiopia in 1983 is at all related to the anomalous heatwave in the UK this week.

 

[flogger]

Not nearly as many that will die of the heat this summer.

BS. Your evidence ?

I'm not one who believes there's still time to let green policies save the say. I believe we are already past the point of no return. Man's inability to act to save the planet from destruction is in evidence. Nothing to do but sit back and watch the sh*t show as it unfolds.

What is your scientific basis for such a catastrophist outlook ?

 

[flogger]

Why do right-wingers so hate their grandchildren that they refuse to do anything about AGW, not even to acknowledge the solid science behind it.

And when I see that 'solid science' I'll be more than happy to acknowledge it.

PS I'm a left winger

 

[watsup]

You’re not connecting the dots here. Show your work in terms of how a drought in Ethiopia in 1983 is at all related to the anomalous heatwave in the UK this week.

I'm connecting the dots just fine. The actual problem seems to be your inability to understand that. As for your most recent query, they are connected, as with so many other extreme weather events, though the additional effects of AGW climate change on them. This is not that difficult to understand.

 

[watsup]

You’re not connecting the dots here. Show your work in terms of how a drought in Ethiopia in 1983 is at all related to the anomalous heatwave in the UK this week.

Read the post. Geez, why do I have to tell you these things? Here is the connection, from the post: "The report showed an accelerating trend, with the number of disasters increasing nearly fivefold from the 1970s to the most recent decade, adding to signs that extreme weather events are becoming more frequent due to global warming."

 

[Jack2aTee]

BS. Your evidence ?


What is your scientific basis for such a catastrophist outlook ?

Yesterday London had the highest temperature ever recorded in its roughly 400 years of keeping track of temperatures. And somewhere in France recorded its highest nightime temperature of 91.5F ever. If that doesn't wake you up to reality then you're beyond hope.

 

[longview]

Yesterday London had the highest temperature ever recorded in its roughly 400 years of keeping track of temperatures. And somewhere in France recorded its highest nightime temperature of 91.5F ever. If that doesn't wake you up to reality then you're beyond hope.

Let's say for example that 100% of the observed average warming since 1900 were added to this heat wave.
IPCC AR6 SPM

The likely range of total human-caused global surface temperature increase from 1850–1900 to 2010–201911 is 0.8°C to
1.3°C, with a best estimate of 1.07°C.

Now 1.07C is 1.92 F, so if 100% of the average increase were deducted from the maximum temperature it
would have reduced the maximum temp of 101F to 99F.
AGW may well be a contributing factor, but this is still a weather event, and it would be almost as hot even without AGW.

 

[Jack2aTee]

Let's say for example that 100% of the observed average warming since 1900 were added to this heat wave.
IPCC AR6 SPM

Now 1.07C is 1.92 F, so if 100% of the average increase were deducted from the maximum temperature it
would have reduced the maximum temp of 101F to 99F.
AGW may well be a contributing factor, but this is still a weather event, and it would be almost as hot even without AGW.

So you think this weather is just an anomaly? is there an echo in here? Or did I ask you that the last time we sparred?

 

[Luce]

This is all normal.

Nothing to see here.

Move along.

 

[longview]

So you think this weather is just an anomaly? is there an echo in here? Or did I ask you that the last time we sparred?

To some extent, it is a persistent high pressure, and may be related to jet stream changes.
are those change normal, or within the normal cycles? We do not know, because there are a lot of cycles
and they are very complex, and the way they interfere with each other could cause much longer period cycles, (Centuries).