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NBC Attempts to Manufacture Some anti-Muslim News

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Dateline NBC apparently is soliciting 'Muslim-looking males' to go out and find some anti-Muslim, anti-Arab sentiments that can be televised. Check out the following e-mail:


NBC has confirmed that they are working on the project:


Source.

NASCAR, thanks in part to the bloggers who became aware of the NBC effort, contacted NBC. AP described NASCAR's reaction this way:


Source.

As danarhea is fond of describing them, the 'mediawhores' are at it again: if there is no news out there, then go out and make it up - better yet, bait some poor unsuspecting soul in helping you make it up.
 
They probably ran out of soldier bashing and bush hating video. Throw enough **** against a wall something will stick.

I say we send a few americans into muslim countries and see if there treated differently, or even better. See if there beheaded, stripped, dragged around the streets naked while beating the body with shoes and then hung from a bridge and burned. Kind of puts name caling in perspective in my opinion...
 
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Moved over to Bias in the Media

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shuamort,

Thanks for moving. Had intended the thread to be in the 'Media Bias' forum, but guess I wasn't paying attention - danged work must have distracted me!
 
You know what would be cool but would never happen?...


That'll even happen...:roll:
 
Aren't undercover stories fairly common in investigative journalism?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Aren't undercover stories fairly common in investigative journalism?
Common?...Yes...

Legit and justified?...Hardly...
 
cnredd said:
Common?...Yes...
Legit and justified?...Hardly...
So the various under cover reports on meatpacking, corrupt auto-repair folks, etc - all injustified?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
So the various under cover reports on meatpacking, corrupt auto-repair folks, etc - all injustified?
If I implied EVERYONE, I didn't mean to...

Here's the difference between "legit" and "not legit"...

Legit - going undercover to SEE what happens...

Not Legit - going undercover to MAKE things happen...

And once again...I don't imply every single one...I'm hoping you get the point here...
 
cnredd said:
Not Legit - going undercover to MAKE things happen...

What exactly were the producer going to "make happen"? Afaict, they were just going to get some folks to go to a NASCAR race.
Was NBC going to instruct their participants to somehow "make" anti-Muslim and anti-Arab discrimination happen?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
What exactly were the producer going to "make happen"? Afaict, they were just going to get some folks to go to a NASCAR race.
Was NBC going to instruct their participants to somehow "make" anti-Muslim and anti-Arab discrimination happen?

Well I think sending men in turbins and heavy beards will indeed get a reaction, especially at a Nascar race. The point is, I don't think Muslims go to the races very damn often, if ever at all, so why conduct this experiment there, it's just asking for trouble. I wonder why they are trying to create problems, where there are none?

Oh for some real fun, they could give them suitcases, and make them look real nervous, maybe even shout a few Allah Ackbars or something, wouldn't that be cute?:roll:
 
So, the presupposition is that anti-Muslim and anti-Arab discrimination exists at NASCAR and thus sending these folks there would "make it happen"?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
So, the presupposition is that anti-Muslim and anti-Arab discrimination exists at NASCAR and thus sending these folks there would "make it happen"?

Yes, of course, these people still fly the rebel flag there!:shock:

These are also people who are still very nervous around Muslims because of 9/11, and while I can't blame them, they may wonder what a couple of Muslims are doing at a race. It's much like sending you, Simon, in to a mosque in Saudi Arabia, and watching to see what reaction that brings!:shock:
 
Anyone notice the name of the guy who wrote the memo? That's all I needed to know. Then they wonder why their ratings keep going down.
 
So, if an auto-repair shop is known to be crooked, sending an undercover reporter in "makes" the crookedness happen?

What makes the distinction between "going undercover to SEE what happens" and making something happen?

Afaict, they're just going in to "see what happens." Where should they go to observe anti-Muslim and anti-Arab discrimination somehwere other than where it exists?
 
Alias said:
Anyone notice the name of the guy who wrote the memo? That's all I needed to know. Then they wonder why their ratings keep going down.
Could you be more explicit in your implication? I don't follow.
 

That comparison is illogical, as we have well documented instances of crooked acts going on in auto shops. This is an attempt to produce a situation that has not already become a problem, as the examples you have stated. I know I am not wanted in certain areas in the south side of Chicago, and this is like sending me to the next rap concert there, dressed in my suit and tie. Why do it? Will it really change anything? Will this just fan the flames of hatred? These are the questions you have to ask yourself, I have, and I can find no logical reason for such a stunt.

If they were going to go somewhere, go where Muslims in fact are present, subways, train stations, even malls or grocery stores, but Nascar, that's just too easy, and lazy journalism if you ask me.
 
Deegan said:
That comparison is illogical, as we have well documented instances of crooked acts going on in auto shops.
Though you suppose that anti-Muslim and anti-Arab discrimination exists at NASCAR.
Is the lack of documents what makes the difference?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Could you be more explicit in your implication? I don't follow.

I thought I was being direct. Look at the name of the guy who wrote the memo. That says it all.
 
This will be much like an outdoor fishing and hunting film. They have to hunt and fish for weeks just to make a thirty-minute film.

Then it will be broadcast in places, including the middle east, to make it look like it took them only a half hour to come up with so much discrimination.

Ca-ca de toro.

This kinda sucks. I wonder what their agenda really is?

In these times, many Americans, still in shock over 9/11, Bin Laden, Taliban, etc., do tend to view Muslims much like Pit-Bull's. They know that many are nice and well behaved. They also know that there are enough Pit-Bulls out there that would maul you or your child to pieces, in a heartbeat.

Self-preservation dictates that we error on the side of caution.
 
Alias said:
I thought I was being direct. Look at the name of the guy who wrote the memo. That says it all.
I have looked at. It says the guy's name.

I don't see whatever connection you're implying. If you don't want to be more clear, I guess that's your business. But if you do want to explain, it'd be appreciated.
 
Deegan said:
The point is, I don't think Muslims go to the races very damn often, if ever at all, so why conduct this experiment there, it's just asking for trouble.
So, it would seem that there are significant portions of our society where any muslim who so much as shows his face is "asking for trouble"? God forbid, what if a muslim citizen of the United States seeks to exercise his basic freedoms by going to a race? If that is all it takes to be "asking for trouble" then this experiment is desperately needed to let sensible Americans know just how ignorant and biggoted much of our society is. But that's only if your assumption is correct.
 

It's just not worth the time, you are not going to change the fans of Nascar because NBC did a little experiment, just as you won't change the hatred taught in Mosques in Saudi Arabia. If they want to do a tit for tat, then by all means, go for it, but to show one side, and pick the most likely place for racism, it's just counter productive. I don't believe "most of society" are "biggoted and ignorant" at all, quite the contrary. I believe most would have no problem with this, even at a Nascar race, but it's like comparing a KKK rally, to a meeting of the ACLU, as the best place to find racists.

If Muslims start to flock to Nascar, and they have problems, then let's investigate, until then, why fan the flames, and create problems where there are none?
 
Captain America said:
This kinda sucks. I wonder what their agenda really is?
What rules out their stated agenda of doing a news story re anti-Muslim and anti-Arab discrimination?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
What rules out their stated agenda of doing a news story re anti-Muslim and anti-Arab discrimination?

The more important question is, where is the examples of blatent racism, that has made an investigation like this necessary?

Again, why create problems, where they don't already exist?
 
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