NBC Attempts to Manufacture Some anti-Muslim News

[Simon W. Moon]

The more important question is, where is the examples of blatent racism, that has made an investigation like this necessary?

Again, why create problems, where they don't already exist?

You seem to be convinced that the problem already exists.

 

[Deegan]

You seem to be convinced that the problem already exists.

I simply said there are ignorant racists that frequent Nascar, that's not going to change because this stunt goes off. As I said, there are plenty of places you can go to find racism, we all know where they are, but why spotlight the obvious? This is an attempt to paint America as racists, and fan the flames between Muslims and Americans, flames that already rage hot enough right now. As I said, go to subways, the malls, the markets, I suspect they won't find what they are looking for there, so go where you know you'll find idiots, it's lazy, and irresponsible, but mostly is just counter productive and will hurt more then it will help.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

This is an attempt to paint America as racists, and fan the flames between Muslims and Americans, flames that already rage hot enough right now.

Whence the assumption of this alternative motive?

 

[Deegan]

Whence the assumption of this alternative motive?

That's simple, because there are no examples of a problem, none I have seen, and that's even after all that's transpired in that last few years. What other motivation could there be, to see if ignorant Nascar fans, will act like ignorant Nascar fans? I suspect they will, but they are hardly the majority there, and this is without merit, plain and simple. I notice they don't plan on sending a redneck Nascar fan inside their church here, I suspect they would find it cuts both ways, but neither is worth the time, or effort, and will only spotlight the worst among us.

Why do this?

 

[Alias]

You wonder what the agenda is? Look at the name of the guy who wrote the memo.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

You wonder what the agenda is? Look at the name of the guy who wrote the memo.

Okay. We get the idea.
You think there's something significant about the guy's name, but you're unwilling to say what it is.

Until you're willing to fill us in on what exactly your cryptic implication is, I doubt you'll get whatever kind of a response you expect.

 

[Deegan]

You wonder what the agenda is? Look at the name of the guy who wrote the memo.

What, because he's Muslim, I suspect he has a vested interest in this, but I think he's off base, but not because he's Muslim, but because he's misguided.

 

[oldreliable67]

The implication from the e-mail is clear: a confrontation between Muslims and non-Muslims is thought to be newsworthy, and, with its known history of bigotry,what better place to seek such a confrontation than a location in the deep South?

It is simply seeking to provoke a response that would be newsworthy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Being a native of Tn, I can attest to the fact that feelings do run high about 9/11 and Muslims. Unfortunately, I don't think it would be terribly difficult to provoke a confrontation, but it will take a deliberate effort, IMO. But note that I described it as 'provoking' a confrontation. Absent some behavior to demonstrate sympathies with Muslim terrorists or causes, something deliberately antagonistic, I doubt very much that NBC would succeed in getting newsworthy tape.

Basically, if they go with the idea of pushing until they find what it takes to pick a fight and get some juicy footage on tape, they'll succeed. If they go to talk and discuss in a rational, non-confrontational manner, then probably not.

If you follow the link, you'll find info on the author of the e-mail.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

The implication from the e-mail is clear: a confrontation between Muslims and non-Muslims is thought to be newsworthy, and, with its known history of bigotry,what better place to seek such a confrontation than a location in the deep South?

Don't tell anybody from VA that I said this, but, having tasted their grits, gravy and greens, VA ain't the Deep South. No offense to Virginians. I'm sure you guys are still Southerners.

It is simply seeking to provoke a response that would be newsworthy. Nothing more, nothing less.
But note that I described it as 'provoking' a confrontation.

The NASCAR spokesman said that the NBC undercover guys "walked around and no one bothered them." So, whatever the NBC folks are doing, it must not be that provocative.

I really don't see it as being much different from any of the countless other undercover reporting I've seen over the years.

Absent some behavior to demonstrate sympathies with Muslim terrorists or causes, something deliberately antagonistic, I doubt very much that NBC would succeed in getting newsworthy tape.

Basically, if they go with the idea of pushing until they find what it takes to pick a fight and get some juicy footage on tape, they'll succeed. If they go to talk and discuss in a rational, non-confrontational manner, then probably not.

I think that would totally defeat the point of the story they're trying to do.
I don't think they intended to do either of these things [pushing until they find what it takes to pick a fight or talk and discuss in a rational, non-confrontational manner]. I think they were just gonna go and hang out like everybody else.
They want whatever reactions they get to be based purely on these guys' looks. Why else bother stipulating that these guys have no accent? Why bother stipulating that the guys be "fairly well accomplished and [have] contributed to American society at large in some meaningful way," except to show that these guys were well behaved, responsible folks. Whatever reactions they get have to be based purely on these guys looks. They want to even rule out the way the guys sound. If the plants were assholes, the whole story goes to ****.

 

[cnredd]

So, it would seem that there are significant portions of our society where any muslim who so much as shows his face is "asking for trouble"? God forbid, what if a muslim citizen of the United States seeks to exercise his basic freedoms by going to a race? If that is all it takes to be "asking for trouble" then this experiment is desperately needed to let sensible Americans know just how ignorant and biggoted much of our society is. But that's only if your assumption is correct.

Then where are the undercover reporters who are white bringing their secret cameras to see what happens to white people in the middle of Watts or Harlem at 11:30 at night?

Let's read your paragraph with this in mind, shall we?

So, it would seem that there are significant portions of our society where any white guy who so much as shows his face is "asking for trouble"? God forbid, what if a white citizen of the United States seeks to exercise his basic freedoms by walking through a neighborhood? If that is all it takes to be "asking for trouble" then this experiment is desperately needed to let sensible Americans know just how ignorant and biggoted much of our society is. But that's only if your assumption is correct.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the white people would get more than just racists remarks like a Muslim would at a NASCAR race...

 

[oldreliable67]

I don't think they intended to do either of these things [pushing until they find what it takes to pick a fight or talk and discuss in a rational, non-confrontational manner]. I think they were just gonna go and hang out like everybody else. They want whatever reactions they get to be based purely on these guys' looks. Why else bother stipulating that these guys have no accent? Why bother stipulating that the guys be "fairly well accomplished and [have] contributed to American society at large in some meaningful way," except to show that these guys were well behaved, responsible folks. Whatever reactions they get have to be based purely on these guys looks. They want to even rule out the way the guys sound. If the plants were assholes, the whole story goes to ****.

Ah, thats the point, isn't it? To portray 'Mr. Muslim guy' as just hangin' out with the rednecks, but look at the attitude these rednecks have! And Mr. Muslim is 'fairly well accomplished' and contributed so much to society! How could they! Of course, we might never see the full level of provocation on TV, depending on just how much provocation it took to get something started. They want whatever reactions they get to appear to be based on Mr. Muslim's looks. Fat chance.

Pretty cynical on my part, I know. But, otherwise, there is no story.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Ah, thats the point, isn't it? To portray 'Mr. Muslim guy' as just hangin' out with the rednecks, but look at the attitude these rednecks have! And Mr. Muslim is 'fairly well accomplished' and contributed so much to society! How could they! Of course, we might never see the full level of provocation on TV, depending on just how much provocation it took to get something started. They want whatever reactions they get to appear to be based on Mr. Muslim's looks. Fat chance.

Pretty cynical on my part, I know. But, otherwise, there is no story.

Well, the NASCAR spokesman said that the NBC undercover guys "walked around and no one bothered them." So, whatever the NBC folks are doing, it must not be that provocative.

I think anyone who gave it half a try could cause quite a ruckus regardless of his appearance. I don't think these guys are really trying the way you're afraid they are.

 

[Captain America]

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[Captain America]

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[cnredd]

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[oldreliable67]

Well, the NASCAR spokesman said that the NBC undercover guys "walked around and no one bothered them." So, whatever the NBC folks are doing, it must not be that provocative.

That was Virginia. Lets see what happens in Texas. Hopefully, nothing, but I don't see the point otherwise.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

That was Virginia. Lets see what happens in Texas. Hopefully, nothing, but I don't see the point otherwise.

I do agree that they're looking for something to happen. I just don't think they're willing to "make" something happen.
Based on my past experiences w/ (large groups of people + alcohol), if they had made even a half-hearted effort to start some ****, some **** would have been started.

 

[aquapub]

I do agree that they're looking for something to happen. I just don't think they're willing to "make" something happen.
Based on my past experiences w/ (large groups of people + alcohol), if they had made even a half-hearted effort to start some ****, some **** would have been started.

If police did this, I'm they would be accused of entrapment.

If the media could, for one micro-second, stop with the full steam ahead propagandizing against America as some kind of hateful, violent place where blacks, illegal immigrants, and their beloved "religion of peace" are in constant danger, and actually check with the facts for once, they would realize that the people they are constantly, constantly trying to smear-more than anybody, white, male, working Americans (hence their NASCAR location)-are the ones in danger...and from the very people they are painting as the victims.

To the media, one act every decade or so, from a fringe white supremacist group against a minority is enough to make up for white people constantly losing jobs to race preference policies and illegal immigrants, white people constantly having their schools bankrupted by illegal immigrants who can't speak English, white people constantly having to dance around having an honest, direct dialogue about the most violent cult ever to trouble the Earth, drenched in our blood (Islam), white people constantly having skyrocketing health care costs to pay for free care for illegals, black people making up only 12% of the population, and committing over 80% of the violent crime, white people constantly having to pay for overcrowded federal prisoners to house illegal immigrants who come here and rape/murder/molest our citizens, etc., etc.

White Middle-America is the media's all-purpose punching bag, and I, for one, am sick to death of the double-standards, the hypocrisy, and one-sided reporting that helps those causing the bulk of the problems come off as perpetual victims.

I want an honest dialogue on these issues.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

If police did this, I'm they would be accused of entrapment.

This is not true.
Entrapment requires that the police entice someone to do something that they otherwise were not likely to have done.
So, selling pot to someone who smokes pot - not entrapment.
Getting someone who doesn't smoke crack to try it and buy some - entrapment.
Hence, no, if the cops did such a thing (sending undercover agents into a public place to investigate) it would not be entrapment.

If the media could...
To the media...

I want an honest dialogue on these issues.

Honestly, I think you're discussing your misperceptions and projections that are based on facts that are not in evidence.

We're all in agreement that if the NBC guys'd wanted to, they wouldn't've had a hard time stirring something up. The facts of the matter is that they didn't. Per the NASCAR guy they just "walked around and no one bothered them."

The NBC guys could have started some **** if they'd tried.
No **** was started.
Therefore, the NBC guys didn't try to start any ****.

 

[oldreliable67]

The NBC guys could have started some **** if they'd tried.
No **** was started.
Therefore, the NBC guys didn't try to start any ****.

And since no **** was started, my guess is that they will feel that it was a waste of time and effort on their part. Which suggests to me, distrustful of the MSM that I am, that in their efforts to gather something that is not a waste of their time and effort, said efforts will be ratcheted up a notch in Texas this weekend. We'll see. Or, more precisely, hopefully we won't see.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

So, if an auto-repair shop is known to be crooked, sending an undercover reporter in "makes" the crookedness happen?

What makes the distinction between "going undercover to SEE what happens" and making something happen?

Afaict, they're just going in to "see what happens." Where should they go to observe anti-Muslim and anti-Arab discrimination somehwere other than where it exists?

If they were marketing this as the possibility of all shops being corrupt because one or a few are. They are intentionally adding an element to specific group in hopes of getting a reaction. This isn't investagtive. Why don't they insert there undercover muslim into a middle class US muslim community and see what the reaction is. There americans and there billing this as an issue throughout the country. There not looking for news there trying to make it. How about we have a couple white gu7ys walk down the streets of crenshaw around midninght. If anything happens to them then obviously blacks hate whites....Unless there in an airport I could care less....LOL

 

[Simon W. Moon]

If they were marketing this as the possibility of all shops being corrupt because one or a few are. They are intentionally adding an element to specific group in hopes of getting a reaction. This isn't investagtive. Why don't they insert there undercover muslim into a middle class US muslim community and see what the reaction is.There americans and there billing this as an issue throughout the country. There not looking for news there trying to make it. How about we have a couple white gu7ys walk down the streets of crenshaw around midninght. If anything happens to them then obviously blacks hate whites....Unless there in an airport I could care less....LOL

Has the story been aired yet?
If not, how did you come to be so sure about how the info gathered will be presented?

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Has the story been aired yet?
If not, how did you come to be so sure about how the info gathered will be presented?

They stated in the email they are looking for one reaction and one reaction only... They are not looking to find reaction, they are looking to find negative reaction.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

They stated in the email they are looking for one reaction and one reaction only... They are not looking to find reaction, they are looking to find negative reaction.

And how did you get from here to where you leaped - that the story would attempt to show "all shops [as] being corrupt"?

That's the part I was really asking about.

How were you able to determine that showing "all shops [as] being corrupt" was how they intend to present the info they gather when you haven't even seen the piece? It seems you're assuming facts that are not in evidence.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

And how did you get from here to where you leaped - that the story would attempt to show "all shops [as] being corrupt"?

That's the part I was really asking about.

How were you able to determine that showing "all shops [as] being corrupt" was how they intend to present the info they gather when you haven't even seen the piece? It seems you're assuming facts that are not in evidence.

OK your right .... I haven't seen it... But I doubt that the piece is going to be called "Rare unscripted moments of discrimination at a NASCAR Race". I'm thinking the title is more likely to be "Discrimination in America". BUt in the end your right .. I can't tell the future