I said it once, and I'll say it again: The Navy SEALS are the biggest dirtbags in the SOF community. It isn't a big, it's a feature. The SEALs regularly commit war crimes, brag about committing war crimes, and encourage each other not to report war crimes to command. They have killed, and I have no doubt will continue to kill other members of the SOF community.
Out of the entire SOF community, the SEALs are infamous for making their training and status a "brand." They turned the honor of wearing the trident into a potential book deal and bogus exercise equipment and/or program.
SF has seen much darker days. Their image always has and will continue to improve. People are held accountable like never before, even if a particular trial becomes a circus.
Back in the mid-90's the Canadian equivalent of the SAS, the Canadian Airborne Regiment, was disbanded after a disgraceful affair including the beating death under interrogation of a Somali man. Now the Canadian special forces unit, JTF-2, is so secret that President Bush was giving them a Presidential Unit Citation at a time when the Canadian government was still not acknowledging that they were in Afghanistan.
I said it once, and I'll say it again: The Navy SEALS are the biggest dirtbags in the SOF community. It isn't a big, it's a feature. The SEALs regularly commit war crimes, brag about committing war crimes, and encourage each other not to report war crimes to command. They have killed, and I have no doubt will continue to kill other members of the SOF community.
Out of the entire SOF community, the SEALs are infamous for making their training and status a "brand." They turned the honor of wearing the trident into a potential book deal and bogus exercise equipment and/or program.
Is JTF2 a regiment of infanty? That's hundreds of riflemen.
No, not a regiment. Far as I know. I'm not sure if we can even find out how large they are.
I can't cut-and-paste on this device but Wikipedia has a good blurb on them.
No, not a regiment. Far as I know. I'm not sure if we can even find out how large they are.
I can't cut-and-paste on this device but Wikipedia has a good blurb on them.
Any atrocity is horrible, but 2 or 3 thousand riflemen is not SF.
Another SEAL testifies that he was the one who killed ISIS fighter - CNN
This is sure to have an impact on our special forces communitys image.
Grand Mal:
JTF-2 (Joint Task Force -2) consists of both civilian (police, intelligence and security personnel) and military (army, navy and airforce personnel) and now numbers between 400-600 personnel by most estimates. However many of those are performing support roles rather than combat roles so the number of SOF operators at the sharp end of the spear is likely between 150 and 200 hundred personnel. Their role and operations are closely guarded secrets; so secret that not even open court martials are allowed if JTF-2 personnel break the rules, because military regulations require the public naming and charging of the persons to be prosecuted. One can assume there is some kind of in-camera process for prosecuting those in breach of military or Canadian Law but there is no overt evidence in the public domain that such prosecutions have occurred that I am aware of.
Cheers.
Evilroddy.
It- the CAR- wasn't a regiment in the usual sense. From the Wikipedia article...
"The Canadian Airborne Regiment (French: Régiment aéroporté canadien) was a Canadian Forces formation created on April 8, 1968. It was not an administrative regiment in the commonly accepted British Commonwealth sense, but rather a tactical formation manned from other regiments and branches. It was disbanded in 1995 after the Somalia Affair."
That was then, 1995. They don't exist anymore.
The British SAS are called a regiment. I don't know what their strength is but I bet you'd call them Special Forces.
I said it once, and I'll say it again: The Navy SEALS are the biggest dirtbags in the SOF community. It isn't a big, it's a feature. The SEALs regularly commit war crimes, brag about committing war crimes, and encourage each other not to report war crimes to command. They have killed, and I have no doubt will continue to kill other members of the SOF community.
Out of the entire SOF community, the SEALs are infamous for making their training and status a "brand." They turned the honor of wearing the trident into a potential book deal and bogus exercise equipment and/or program.
I never understand why people expect human beings to be psychologically immune to the effects of being hired to do a job like the Seals do.
Back in the mid-90's the Canadian equivalent of the SAS, the Canadian Airborne Regiment, was disbanded after a disgraceful affair including the beating death under interrogation of a Somali man. Now the Canadian special forces unit, JTF-2, is so secret that President Bush was giving them a Presidential Unit Citation at a time when the Canadian government was still not acknowledging that they were in Afghanistan.
I said it once, and I'll say it again: The Navy SEALS are the biggest dirtbags in the SOF community. It isn't a big, it's a feature. The SEALs regularly commit war crimes, brag about committing war crimes, and encourage each other not to report war crimes to command. They have killed, and I have no doubt will continue to kill other members of the SOF community.
Out of the entire SOF community, the SEALs are infamous for making their training and status a "brand." They turned the honor of wearing the trident into a potential book deal and bogus exercise equipment and/or program.
Rangers are a regiment. Not generally considered SF.
My point was that a force of 2000 (even if only some were deployed) men having a crime committed among them is not the same as 20. A smaller percentage of individual men are responsible. The smaller force provides greater internal responsibility for any crime. If the Canadian force was of such a size, most of the men probably had no idea a crime was committed. In a team or group, everyone knows everything that happens.
Crimes will happen. There is no putting an end to them. The importing thing is that we hold our own accountable.
I get that accountable is where your objection to covert comes in, but Seals just had a rather public trial. Some trials can't be public.
I haven't voiced an objection to anything here, just mentioned how the Canadian government responded to a wartime atrocity. Personally, I'd say disbanding the CAR was an overreaction but there were other things going on at the time. I can't remember if the personnel involved were charged or not.
I never understand why people expect human beings to be psychologically immune to the effects of being hired to do a job like the Seals do. They're elite killers. That's the job they've been trained and tasked with accomplishing. We send them out to fight ISIS, a group with absolutely no moral code- they rape women, murder children, use drugs, practice religious based executions, film themselves lighting caged humans on fire.... What outcome do we expect here, that Navy Seals should be immune to the psychological toll of fighting the worst sub-humans on earth? It's unrealistic. How many tours did Gallagher embark on before going psycho?
You can be an operator without devolving into murdering civilians and ultimately assisting in the radicalization of the native population.
Absolutely, and most are.
But every so often, one of our own goes rogue, and becomes completely psychotic.
Maybe that should be studied, and we should consider whether or not we're asking too much of our men by having them deploy dozens of times to a war zone that most Americans forgot about years ago.
I’m not bashing the military, that being said, I flew from San Diego to BWI many years ago. I tend to sit in the rear of the plane, not like you get there faster in the front. The two seats in front of me were occupied by two self described Seals. As they tried to drink the plane’s supply of beer up, their conduct deteriorated. As I exited, I commented, “ I thought you guys were better than this.”
Old joke: How can you identify a Seal in a bar? Just wait, he’ll tell you.
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