Sherman123
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The Iranian navy isn't really the problem. Mines and land based anti-ship missiles are. Oil tankers are slow, huge, incredibly fragile and filled to the brim with flammable materials. The strait makes it impossible to hide or maneuver. Even then, the biggest problem is that civilian operators have zero tolerance for any kind of casualties.
The U.S. has the ability to force open the strait eventually if Iran tries to close it, but don't pretend that it won't be very very expensive in economic terms.
Hang on aren't Pakistan and Iran opposing sects of islam? This announcement would only make sense if Pakistan followed the Shia sect of Islam.
Given our economic interests in the region, thats a bad bet to make.
Sounds like two neighbors who share land borders working together, is that odd?
is it any different than Canada and the U.S. working together?
Everybody is hitler now?Is it any different than Germany and Rumania working together in the summer of 1941?
With the current performance of our CIC, they might disagree with you.
Everybody is hitler now?
China might be the next hitler too.Bush was Hitler, Obama is Hitler, maybe we should stop ****ing electing Hitler!
Iran might hate us but they don't suffer from the Obama Derangement Syndrome that so many in this country do. They don't share a belief in this caricature you've concocted for yourself.
Bush was Hitler, Obama is Hitler, maybe we should stop ****ing electing Hitler!
Power, money, prestige, a chance to hurt western countries.
Look at what's going on, all of a sudden, NK and China making a show in Asia. Russia pushing west in Europe and Iran conducting joint excersizes with Pakistan in. The Straits of Hormuz. All on the heels of a lack of backbone by the president, the purging of our general officer corps and the announcement that we're drawing our armed forces down to one of it's lowest levels in American history.
A demonstration of practical trust-building efforts between two states that have historically enjoyed relatively stable relations but have the potential for much friction. People should not read more into this than there is.
Perhaps. But why stage them in such a strategically important location? It is perhaps a message from both countries that if they are attacked, this is the type of response that is to be expected? I really don't know.
To twit the United States and because that is where Iran's major naval facility is (at Bandar Abbas) and it's very close to Pakistan's largest naval base at Karachi so it's easy to organize.
That sounds reasonable. What I don't see happening anytime soon is Pakistan coming to aid Iran against the US in case of a US attack on Iran. I don't think Pakistan is that foolish.
I think in each instance the activities of the countries are not the result of perceiving weakness on the part of Obama, but rather the result of US foreign policy that is perceived by those countries as either US encroachment on their sphere of influence right next to their borders, US interference in unresolved territorial disputes with other nations, or the imposition of harsh US sanctions that crippled a country's economy.
In the case of Pakistan, it was forced by the US to engage in a war against people that they had been living with relatively peacefully before the US invasion of Afghanistan. I recall well how Pervez Musharraf pleaded that we urge our friends to wrap up their mission as soon as possible because it was causing Pakistan great difficulty. Instead the US keep up the pressure on Pakistan and eventually the relations turned to their current sour state. Pakistan's moves to create stronger ties with Iran should be seen in that light, rather than some perceived weakness on the part of Obama.
I find it rather remarkable that at this time, people who purport to be patriots appear to be rather eager to paint the US as weak. It is amazing what people won't do to score political points.
Of course not. Pakistan is a country that values our relationship to the point where they let us bomb them, they aren't about to throw their rickety fleet to the bottom of the ocean for a war that Iran would lose.
That sounds reasonable. What I don't see happening anytime soon is Pakistan coming to aid Iran against the US in case of a US attack on Iran. I don't think Pakistan is that foolish.
Of course they're cross, because we hamper their ability to harm freedom, around the world.
Countries have done things before.
Your position is contradictory because while you claim to be the champion of freedom, you actually don't want others to be free to chose a destiny that is contrary to your set of values.
This is true, ourselves included. But I really don't think they are that foolish. Of course, if we were actually attacking both Pakistan and Iran at the same time, it would make sense.
Do I want to deny tyrrants to spread tyrrany? You're damn right!
You're making the dangerous assumption that everyone thinks the same way you do.
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