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Natural person vs. artificial person

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This site talks about how the government has created a simulated construct of "you" that you have been made to believe is you, in order to be held accountable to laws, the tax code, etc. It also discusses that the government has a stipulation for "natural persons" who wish to represent themselves within the system. You effectivey get to choose whether the artificial construct is you, or the natural you is you, when representing yourself. The artificial "you" is a legal construct and it gives the government ownership and entitlement to you, your property, money, etc. The natural you is the God-given one that is subject to the Creator and has more to do with human-born rights and actions.

The website is a fascinating read and will give you a different perspective on your place in the polity. It also has wide implications for what the government can do to you based on this ownership, and that you are a defacto slave for subscribing to their artificial version of you.
 


It's part of the "Sovereign Individual" stuff, and typically used as an excuse for very bad behavior. There's a seductive quality to some of the reasoning, but in brief it's mostly BS.
 
Well - I tried to follow along but it's cloaked in religion so I didnt' get very far.
 

Have you figured out a way to implode your own "artifical" self? I have and it is something any body can do. But there is a cost to that price of liberty in regaining the natural you back as a whole sole result of being created equally here in the eternity of compounding additions of the same functioning results never the same details twice.
 
It's part of the "Sovereign Individual" stuff, and typically used as an excuse for very bad behavior. There's a seductive quality to some of the reasoning, but in brief it's mostly BS.

I don't think it's necessarily BS, but I have already figured out a fatal flaw in their plan. If you refuse to associate with the artificial person the state has created for you, then it won't be possible for you to use the legal tender (currency) of the state. It would lock you out of all material prosperity. You wouldn't even be able to own property because that would require attaching your "artificial" name to it, so you can pay property taxes.

What I get from this whole line of reasoning is that I'd basically have to build a shack for myself outside of civilization in order to fully stick it to the man. No thanks. I'd rather make my current income, pay some taxes, and write off what I can!
 
And you don't have to pay taxes any more.

This kind of stuff has been around for quite a while. But it's a mix of nuggets of truth and outright falsehoods.
 
And you don't have to pay taxes any more.

This kind of stuff has been around for quite a while. But it's a mix of nuggets of truth and outright falsehoods.

LOL - we can just call it tithing then
 
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