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Natural immunity verses vaccine

Chainsawmassacre

Chainsawmassacre

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I think one thing we can all agree on is the medical profession has been taken over by big pharma. Doctors are "educated" to prescribe drugs for every existing malady instead of looking for the root cause of the poor health of their patients.
Fast forward to the Covid pandemic and the push for everyone to be vaccinated and then boosted on a regular basis with no end in sight. Drug companies are making billions with every dose. The doctors they "educated" push for everyone being vaccinated because that's the way they were trained.
A more holistic approach would be to vaccinate the at risk group and let the young and healthy acquire natural immunity. This would simultaneously strengthen the herd so to speak and protect the vulnerable. In the long run that is the only way to beat this virus into submission. 100% vaccination would only ensure vaccine resistant variations and vaccinations until the end of time and enormous profits for drug companies.
 
I agree that big pharma is making money hand over fist, and will continue to do so. I also agree that not all doctors are created equally.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
I think one thing we can all agree on is the medical profession has been taken over by big pharma. Doctors are "educated" to prescribe drugs for every existing malady instead of looking for the root cause of the poor health of their patients.
Fast forward to the Covid pandemic and the push for everyone to be vaccinated and then boosted on a regular basis with no end in sight. Drug companies are making billions with every dose. The doctors they "educated" push for everyone being vaccinated because that's the way they were trained.
A more holistic approach would be to vaccinate the at risk group and let the young and healthy acquire natural immunity. This would simultaneously strengthen the herd so to speak and protect the vulnerable. In the long run that is the only way to beat this virus into submission. 100% vaccination would only ensure vaccine resistant variations and vaccinations until the end of time and enormous profits for drug companies.
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So then why did Trump get the vaccine and boosters?

You do realize that pharmaceutical companies actually make more off of therapeutics than vaccines, right? That if they can provide a medication for your symptoms, they can actually make a ton more money by not vaccinating and allowing it to spread so that they sell far more therapies that are reactionary, rather than proactive like a vaccine.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
I think one thing we can all agree on is the medical profession has been taken over by big pharma. Doctors are "educated" to prescribe drugs for every existing malady instead of looking for the root cause of the poor health of their patients.
Fast forward to the Covid pandemic and the push for everyone to be vaccinated and then boosted on a regular basis with no end in sight. Drug companies are making billions with every dose. The doctors they "educated" push for everyone being vaccinated because that's the way they were trained.
A more holistic approach would be to vaccinate the at risk group and let the young and healthy acquire natural immunity. This would simultaneously strengthen the herd so to speak and protect the vulnerable. In the long run that is the only way to beat this virus into submission. 100% vaccination would only ensure vaccine resistant variations and vaccinations until the end of time and enormous profits for drug companies.
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How many would you have die before 'herd immunity' was achieved? Ballpark?
 
"Just shut up and listen to the experts" is the contemporary version of "freedom".

There are lots of experts in the world and not all of them agree on everything. When we insist that one expert's opinion be picked over that of another and that opinions, even expert ones, which run contrary to the current political narrative be not just ignored but actively suppressed, we just might not be on that good ol' freedom train any more.
 
snakestretcher said:
How many would you have die before 'herd immunity' was achieved? Ballpark?
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Young and healthy are at minimum risk and long term a hybrid approach of vaccinated and natural immunity would save lives.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
Pay closer attention.
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The best approach is to vaccinate everyone because everyone needs the reduced risk of contracting that comes with the vaccine, which will then mean less spread overall, especially since everyone can get it, even if they've had Covid.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
Young and healthy are at minimum risk and long term a hybrid approach of vaccinated and natural immunity would save lives.
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The best way to get that hybrid though would be to get vaccinated first (highest reduction in risk of death or hospitalization even in young and healthy people) then if they get the covid, they will get milder symptoms and have increased immunity against it.
 
roguenuke said:
The best approach is to vaccinate everyone because everyone needs the reduced risk of contracting that comes with the vaccine, which will then mean less spread overall, especially since everyone can get it, even if they've had Covid.
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And you create a population reliant on the vaccine forever.
 
Rawley said:
Just a guess, but probably because of his age.
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So then natural immunity doesn't really protect you either, right?

A hybrid of immunity from "natural"/contracting Covid and the vaccine would be everyone getting both (hopefully fewer getting Covid at all) and that being immunity from both. It would not be relying on past infections to provide single source immunity.
 
roguenuke said:
The best way to get that hybrid though would be to get vaccinated first (highest reduction in risk of death or hospitalization even in young and healthy people) then if they get the covid, they will get milder symptoms and have increased immunity against it.
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That's not an unreasonable argument but the numbers of young healthy people that would get covid after vaccination would be too small to strengthen the herds immunity.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
And you create a population reliant on the vaccine forever.
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No you don't. Most vaccines take several doses over multiple months, years to become fully effective, and that is when they are given to children, who have much better systems to accept those vaccines. After so many doses, you are very likely to have enough immunity to last.

Do you know how the Anthrax vaccine works, how many doses it takes to reach full immunity?
 
roguenuke said:
The best approach is to vaccinate everyone because everyone needs the reduced risk of contracting that comes with the vaccine, which will then mean less spread overall, especially since everyone can get it, even if they've had Covid.
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Is the vaccine equally effective in "everyone"? Is there a possibility that some people might be negatively effected by the vaccine? At what point in human history has a universal solution to anything actually worked and why should we expect this one to work?
 
roguenuke said:
And they would get even more from medications, especially if vaccines would have been shunned in favor of development mainly of therapeutics.
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Yearly or more vaccine boosters for the entire world population is a cash cow and stable super income until the end of time.
 
roguenuke said:
No you don't. Most vaccines take several doses over multiple months, years to become fully effective, and that is when they are given to children, who have much better systems to accept those vaccines. After so many doses, you are very likely to have enough immunity to last.

Do you know how the Anthrax vaccine works, how many doses it takes to reach full immunity?
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Most vaccines yes but even Fauci admits no end in sight for covid booster shots.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
That's not an unreasonable argument but the numbers of young healthy people that would get covid after vaccination would be too small to strengthen the herds immunity.
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This doesn't make any sense. Whether they get the vaccine or Covid, it is best to have both for full strength of immunity, in either order. Safest though is to have the vaccine and then hopefully no Covid, but if Covid happens after, and you survive, then your immunity should also increase as well. It doesn't matter how old the person is. That immunity and reduction of spread, as well as reducing hospitalizations is what is the goal.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
Most vaccines yes but even Fauci admits no end in sight for covid booster shots.
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Because they can't know yet. How is this so hard to understand?

And we do know that those who have had Covid can also get Covid again and again. So that means natural immunity is not that much better than from the vaccine.
 
Getting Quadruple vaccinated and then getting a breakthrough infection will create the best immunity going forward.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
I think one thing we can all agree on is the medical profession has been taken over by big pharma. Doctors are "educated" to prescribe drugs for every existing malady instead of looking for the root cause of the poor health of their patients.
Fast forward to the Covid pandemic and the push for everyone to be vaccinated and then boosted on a regular basis with no end in sight. Drug companies are making billions with every dose. The doctors they "educated" push for everyone being vaccinated because that's the way they were trained.
A more holistic approach would be to vaccinate the at risk group and let the young and healthy acquire natural immunity. This would simultaneously strengthen the herd so to speak and protect the vulnerable. In the long run that is the only way to beat this virus into submission. 100% vaccination would only ensure vaccine resistant variations and vaccinations until the end of time and enormous profits for drug companies.
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Given that up to 30% of those who contract covid never develop antibodies, how effective would this approach be in a country?

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

COVID Natural Immunity: What You Need to Know

Even if you’ve already had COVID-19, getting a coronavirus vaccine is recommended. These are the things you need to know about COVID natural immunity.
www.hopkinsmedicine.org www.hopkinsmedicine.org
 
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