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The EU promise to provide 70 Migs and Su's to Ukraine as replacements fell apart. On March 1st/2nd Ukrainian pilots arrived to pick up the planes from Poland, only to discover that Poland and other states don't want to take the risk of Russian retaliation. Russia has apparently intimidated these states sufficiently with it threats to scotch the plan.
Sad...very sad.
NATO Will Not Be Lending Fighter Jets to Ukraine | National Review
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Tuesday that European Union members will not lend fighter jets to the war in Ukraine.www.nationalreview.com
The EU promise to provide 70 Migs and Su's to Ukraine as replacements fell apart. On March 1st/2nd Ukrainian pilots arrived to pick up the planes from Poland, only to discover that Poland and other states don't want to take the risk of Russian retaliation. Russia has apparently intimidated these states sufficiently with it threats to scotch the plan.
Sad...very sad.
NATO Will Not Be Lending Fighter Jets to Ukraine | National Review
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Tuesday that European Union members will not lend fighter jets to the war in Ukraine.www.nationalreview.com
Several days' old news, but yes - I still find it sad., perhaps even more-so given Putin's increased savagery & barbarism.
I had no idea the deal fell thru.
The US ought to be facilitating it, promising to provide replacement F16s and F-15s, piloted by US aviators (if the host country does not have pilots certified to fly them). Better yet, 70 F-35s rotated into these countries would even be better.
Where is is written in the code of proxy wars that missiles and such are within the rules and airplanes are not? For those that say well ammo and missiles are defensive weapons and fighters are offensive, I counter that anything Ukraine does within their sovereign borders versus The Russian Federation is defensive in nature.
It seems NATO leadership nixed the deal, in a formal voting session.
The bolded seems to be one of the main sticking points. If NATO pilots & aircraft are hit while on delivery, it then becomes a Chapter 5 issue.
Said from the safety of being out of range yourself btw very sad.
The EU promise to provide 70 Migs and Su's to Ukraine as replacements fell apart. On March 1st/2nd Ukrainian pilots arrived to pick up the planes from Poland, only to discover that Poland and other states don't want to take the risk of Russian retaliation. Russia has apparently intimidated these states sufficiently with it threats to scotch the plan.
Sad...very sad.
NATO Will Not Be Lending Fighter Jets to Ukraine | National Review
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Tuesday that European Union members will not lend fighter jets to the war in Ukraine.www.nationalreview.com
The EU promise to provide 70 Migs and Su's to Ukraine as replacements fell apart. On March 1st/2nd Ukrainian pilots arrived to pick up the planes from Poland, only to discover that Poland and other states don't want to take the risk of Russian retaliation. Russia has apparently intimidated these states sufficiently with it threats to scotch the plan.
Sad...very sad.
NATO Will Not Be Lending Fighter Jets to Ukraine | National Review
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Tuesday that European Union members will not lend fighter jets to the war in Ukraine.www.nationalreview.com
You do know MiGs are Russian planes right?….
The way I hear it told, switching from a lifetime of flying MiG's to something like an F-16 isn't the air equivalent of jumping into a Ford when you've been a lifetime Chevy owner.
Apparently it's a WHOLE LOT MORE complicated than that.
Why the hell not? It's not like lend-lease is a new concept, and it's not like Russia wasn't handing out MIGs in Korea and Vietnam.
That is how I look at it. I really don't get the concern over how to deliver them.
The way I hear it told, switching from a lifetime of flying MiG's to something like an F-16 isn't the air equivalent of jumping into a Ford when you've been a lifetime Chevy owner.
Apparently it's a WHOLE LOT MORE complicated than that.
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