Nato confirms it intercepted Russian aircraft over Estonia as EU calls violation a ‘dangerous provocation’

[Toggle Almendro]

Completely reckless and unacceptable. What is the dictator Putin playing at?

I've been telling people this for years, usually to no avail because people never want to hear the truth, but as soon as Putin is done invading Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova, he plans to invade the European Union, particularly the Baltic states.

Putin also believes he can use tactical nukes in this endeavor, and that the United States will be too afraid to respond in kind.

By the time Putin realizes how wrong he is, the entire world will be caught up in a full-scale nuclear war. Which we can handle of course. Fighting a nuclear war against Russia is what the United States has been practicing for the past eighty years. If we actually have to do it, we'll do it really well.

But to state the obvious, a large nuclear war will have some downsides, and we might want to try to avoid reaching that point.

There are two ways we can prevent Russia from invading the European Union. The first way (and also the cheapest) is to keep propping up Ukraine so that Russia stays bogged down in endless warfare there. Every extra day that Russia spends bogged down in Ukraine is one more day that Russia is not invading the European Union. Every Russian soldier that dies on a Ukrainian battlefield is a Russian soldier that won't be available to invade the European Union.

The second way to prevent Russia from invading the European Union is to return to a full Cold War military posture. That will mean increasing NATO military spending tenfold from what it is today and stationing tens of thousands of NATO troops in Eastern Europe (like how everyone had troops stationed in West Germany during the first Cold War).

 

[Tigerace117]

As mentioned, your surrender was already noted

 

[Infinite Chaos]

As mentioned, your surrender was already noted

How could I surrender to an argument that had nothing to do with the thread subject? You are deluding yourself.

 

[Tigerace117]

How could I surrender to an argument that had nothing to do with the thread subject? You are deluding yourself.

You were unable to face up to the facts as to what Turkey’s actual priorities were, nor the fact that the Su-24 getting shot down didn’t actually deter the Russians from doing what they wanted.

 

[rhinefire]

Oh look, more stuff from over fifty years ago, and more recent ones at events where there was no significant security of any sort

Oh look, why don't you write the number of guns in this country today versus fifty years ago. Next compare the number of shootings. How many gangs today versus fifty years ago. How many drug related crimes today versus fifty years ago.

 

[Roadvirus]

The Russian air force likes to mess with people like the many occasions their fighters have buzzed our aircrafts? If Trump had balls in place of makeup he would tell Putin it ends and if they buzz our panes again the rule is shoot them down.

Putzin has Trump's balls in a jar on his desk.

 

[Tigerace117]

Oh look, why don't you write the number of guns in this country today versus fifty years ago. Next compare the number of shootings. How many gangs today versus fifty years ago. How many drug related crimes today versus fifty years ago.

……the existence of gangs does not actually change any of what I pointed out. You are grasping at straws dude.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

the existence of gangs does not actually change any of what I pointed out. You are grasping at straws dude.

Whatever makes you happy. You've created a pointless diversion from the original point and are desperately clinging on to it for reasons known only to yourself.
I've no more time to waste on this moronic and pointless diversion. Give yourself an empty win for wasting my time.

 

[Tigerace117]

Whatever makes you happy. You've created a pointless diversion from the original point and are desperately clinging on to it for reasons known only to yourself.
I've no more time to waste on this moronic and pointless diversion. Give yourself an empty win for wasting my time.

It’s not “pointless” at all to point out the tactic y’all are cheering for didn’t work. Turkey was unable to save the jihadists, and the pilots wound up getting arrested by their own government

 

[rhinefire]

……the existence of gangs does not actually change any of what I pointed out. You are grasping at straws dude.

Violence is the real issue hear.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

The Russians need to be shot down each and every time they do this.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

It’s not “pointless” at all to point out the tactic y’all are cheering for didn’t work. Turkey was unable to save the jihadists,

So tell me what tactic are "we" all cheering for? Be very specific please.

and the pilots wound up getting arrested by their own government

Why were they arrested? Be very specific please.

You know you would have a much better argument if you focused on what actually happened to Turkey with regard to this recent incursion instead of posting the shit you have been. Most of Turkey's allies withdrew their Patriot missile batteries and there were accusations of Turkey trying to start WW3.
Only Spain kept their missile batteries operational in Turkey which has helped improve the relations between Turkey and Spain no end.

The ultimate result of all this was that Turkey realised it had to develop its own tech faster and further - which we've seen with their domestically designed drones and even stealth fighter programme.

As for Russia/Putin relationships, Putin phoned Erdogan after the attempted coup where the two pilots were suspects which was to bring the US based cleric Fettullah Gulen over to rule Turkey. That was the rapprochement and other end result.

Now stop with the bollocks and do better research next time you try and derail a thread with your nonsense.

 

[Tigerace117]

So tell me what tactic are "we" all cheering for? Be very specific please.



Why were they arrested? Be very specific please.

You know you would have a much better argument if you focused on what actually happened to Turkey with regard to this recent incursion instead of posting the shit you have been. Most of Turkey's allies withdrew their Patriot missile batteries and there were accusations of Turkey trying to start WW3.
Only Spain kept their missile batteries operational in Turkey which has helped improve the relations between Turkey and Spain no end.

The ultimate result of all this was that Turkey realised it had to develop its own tech faster and further - which we've seen with their domestically designed drones and even stealth fighter programme.

As for Russia/Putin relationships, Putin phoned Erdogan after the attempted coup where the two pilots were suspects which was to bring the US based cleric Fettullah Gulen over to rule Turkey. That was the rapprochement and other end result.

Now stop with the bollocks and do better research next time you try and derail a thread with your nonsense.

Trying to shoot down the Russian aircraft, as you would know had you actually bothered to read the thread instead of simply whining.

Gee dude, do you actually believe the pilots were part of some secret plot by Erdogan’s favorite boogeyman?

Whining because you don’t like having to face the fact a NATO member was trying and failing to protect Al Qaeda members and its own local fascists doesn’t actually change the facts.

 

[snakestretcher]

We should shoot them down next time but there is a small problem. They fly like pu ss ies from the Sea and enter just a bit in to the zone over the water. They don't exactly fly over the land lets say.

But it does warrant a response of some sort, Turkey route should be considered.

The Turkish shoot down was then; Putin is so unstable and unpredictable that caution in dealing with him should always be the watchword. A military response to his obvious provocation is not advisable. Remember when he stated that he had no intention of invading Ukraine? An attack against a NATO member state is another matter altogether, and that would absolutely merit a vigorous response.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Trying to shoot down the Russian aircraft, as you would know had you actually bothered to read the thread instead of simply whining.

Gee dude, do you actually believe the pilots were part of some secret plot by Erdogan’s favorite boogeyman?

Whining because you don’t like having to face the fact a NATO member was trying and failing to protect Al Qaeda members and its own local fascists doesn’t actually change the facts.

nothing to do with what I wrote or the thread subject. goodbye.

 

[Tigerace117]

nothing to do with what I wrote or the thread subject. goodbye.

As I’ve said repeatedly now, I already noted your surrender. Asking questions you don’t like the answers to doesn’t change the facts.