NATO Assures Ukraine of Open-Ended Military Support Against Russia

[Rogue Valley]

NATO Assures Ukraine of Open-Ended Military Support Against Russia - The Moscow Times

NATO on Sunday pledged open-ended military support for Ukraine, as Finland hailed its "historic" bid to join the alliance and Sweden's ruling party said it backed a joint membership application.

www.themoscowtimes.com

5.16.22
NATO on Sunday pledged open-ended military support for Ukraine, as Finland hailed its "historic" bid to join the alliance and Sweden's ruling party said it backed a joint membership application. The promise came after Finland jettisoned decades of military non-alignment, redrawing the balance of power in Europe and angering the Kremlin. On the ground in Ukraine, Russia announced air strikes in the east and in Lviv in the west as Western intelligence predicted its campaign in eastern Ukraine would stall amid heavy losses and fierce resistance. At a meeting of NATO foreign ministers in Berlin, Germany's Annalena Baerbock said it would provide military assistance "for as long as Ukraine needs this support for the self-defense of its country." "Ukraine can win this war. Ukrainians are bravely defending their homeland," NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg added. Russia has been trying to cross a river and encircle the city of Severodonetsk but have been repelled, with heavy losses of equipment, according to Luhansk governor Sergiy Gaiday. Gaiday added that two civilians in Severodonetsk were killed overnight in bombing. Local officials in Ukraine's second city of Kharkiv in the north have said Russian troops were withdrawing from the surrounding region amid Ukrainian counter-attacks.

Keep those weapons coming like a conveyor-belt.

 

[oneworld2]

NATO Assures Ukraine of Open-Ended Military Support Against Russia - The Moscow Times

NATO on Sunday pledged open-ended military support for Ukraine, as Finland hailed its "historic" bid to join the alliance and Sweden's ruling party said it backed a joint membership application.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Keep those weapons coming like a conveyor-belt.

NATO cowards fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian, who knew?

 

[Mycroft]

NATO Assures Ukraine of Open-Ended Military Support Against Russia - The Moscow Times

NATO on Sunday pledged open-ended military support for Ukraine, as Finland hailed its "historic" bid to join the alliance and Sweden's ruling party said it backed a joint membership application.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Keep those weapons coming like a conveyor-belt.

Let me know when Germany forks over $40 Billion to Ukraine.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Let me know when Germany forks over $40 Billion to Ukraine.

Prorated per capita, that would be about $10B, but I see your point.

 

[Mycroft]

Prorated per capita, that would be about $10B, but I see your point.

Prorated per capita, we would need to see the entire EU fork over $40 Billion. I won't hold my breath on that, either.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Prorated per capita, we would need to see the entire EU fork over $40 Billion. I won't hold my breath on that, either.

The EU just woke up to Putin's imperial ambitions at the end of February.

 

[Mycroft]

The EU just woke up to Putin's imperial ambitions at the end of February.

So what?

 

[Fledermaus]

NATO cowards fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian, who knew?

Stupid pro-Putin talking point.

Who knew?

Helping Ukrainians defending Ukraine seems to be an issue for you.

Why?

Would you feel this way about Lend-lease or the US supplying Russia during WWII?

 

[Rogue Valley]

So what?

So the EU has none of the military capability of the US which as been at war non-stop for decades.

 

[Mycroft]

So the EU has none of the military capability of the US which as been at war non-stop for decades.

I haven't said anything about "military capability". I'm talking about money...$40 Billion.

In any event, various EU countries have been conducting war operations in various places around the world. They have very capable militaries.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I haven't said anything about "military capability". I'm talking about money...$40 Billion.

In any event, various EU countries have been conducting war operations in various places around the world. They have very capable militaries.

So then, any frivoluous argument thing to assist Russia from Mycroft.

No surprise there.

 

[Loulit01]

The E.U. is taking in millions of Ukranian refugees. Sweden and Finland want to join NATO. Germany is pledging to wean itself off Russian oil. Europe can do better but it's in the fight.

 

[oneworld2]

Stupid pro-Putin talking point.

Who knew?

Helping Ukrainians defending Ukraine seems to be an issue for you.

Why?

Would you feel this way about Lend-lease or the US supplying Russia during WWII?

The record speaks for itself.

Everytime the US claims to care about someone or other it becomes obvious that its a crock of shit. The same is true of Ukraine and Ukrainians. They don't care if Ukraine is bombed and beaten into the European equivalent of Afghanistan as long as it also helps destroy in part or completely an old adversay like the Russians.

You are just waaaaaay too much of an apologist to accept this so there is little point putting the meat on the bones of the claim by citing the relevant information.

 

[Fledermaus]

The record speaks for itself.

Everytime the US claims to care about someone or other it becomes obvious that its a crock of shit. The same is true of Ukraine and Ukrainians. They don't care if Ukraine is bombed and beaten into the European equivalent of Afghanistan as long as it also helps destroy in part or completely an old adversay(sic) like the Russians.

You are just waaaaaay too much of an apologist to accept this so there is little point putting the meat on the bones of the claim by citing the relevant information.

Helping Ukrainians defending Ukraine seems to be an issue for you.

Why?

Why is it such an issue?

Would you feel this way about Lend-lease or the US supplying Russia during WWII?

It is a simple question.

Or how we helped South Korea hold off the NKs.

How we aided France, the Netherlands, etc. In WWII.

 

[oneworld2]

Helping Ukrainians defending Ukraine seems to be an issue for you.

Why?

Why is it such an issue?

Would you feel this way about Lend-lease or the US supplying Russia during WWII?

It is a simple question.

Or how we helped South Korea hold off the NKs.

How we aided France, the Netherlands, etc. In WWII.

Ignoring the answer only to spam your own words is poor debating skills imo. Come back when you can do better.

 

[Fledermaus]

Ignoring the answer only to spam your own words is poor debating skills imo. Come back when you can do better.

You avoided much of what I posted.

Evasion is poor debating skills imo.

You didn't answer why Ukrainians defending the Ukraine with arms proved by the US (and Europe) is such an issue for you.

You don't want Ukraine to be a free and sovereign state?

 

[oneworld2]

You avoided much of what I posted.

Chronology is on my side and you do this rubbish regularly. Why do you suppose I am obliged to respond in any positive way to your constant ignoring and spamming ?

Evasion is poor debating skills imo.

You didn't answer why Ukrainians defending the Ukraine with arms proved by the US (and Europe) is such an issue for you.

You don't want Ukraine to be a free and sovereign state?

The US is not arming Ukrainians because it cares about them or their state and that's why I mentioned the record . It is arming them, knowing the country will be wrecked as the war continues and more and more people will be killed, so as to try to destroy Russia as a world leader/world power.

I have an issue with the use and misuse of people as proxies, you? apparently not.

 

[Fledermaus]

Chronology is on my side and you do this rubbish regularly. Why do you suppose I am obliged to respond in any positive way to your constant ignoring and spamming ?

Avoidance isn't debate.

The US is not arming Ukrainians because it cares about them or their state and that's why I mentioned the record . It is arming them, knowing the country will be wrecked as the war continues and more and more people will be killed, so as to try to destroy Russia as a world leader/world power.

I have an issue with the use and misuse of people as proxies, you? apparently not.

The US and Europe care enough about Ukraine to send BILLIONS in support and weapons.

And the arms and support help keep the remainder of Ukraine from being wrecked.

Add to that pledges for monies to rebuild Ukraine after they fight of the Russians.

How does a free Ukraine "destroy" Russia?

 

[oneworld2]

Avoidance isn't debate.



The US and Europe care enough about Ukraine to send BILLIONS in support and weapons.

And the arms and support help keep the remainder of Ukraine from being wrecked.

Add to that pledges for monies to rebuild Ukraine after they fight of (sic) the Russians.

How does a free Ukraine "destroy" Russia?

No they care about sticking it to Russia by using Ukraine as the proxy and its people as the fodder and that's why the weapons are flowing there.

No the arms prolong a war that will wreck Ukraine and kill more and more of its people. That impacts on the Russians too, which are the real target . It's obvious to any who care to follow and are free from partisan hogwash.

The corporations of the West make a packet knocking down states and then they get the contracts to build them up again, shades of Iraq again.

A prolonged war is sure to damage/destroy Russia more than a shorter one, that much should be obvious, even to you.

 

[Fledermaus]

No they care about sticking it to Russia by using Ukraine as the proxy and its people as the fodder and that's why the weapons are flowing there.

No the arms prolong a war that will wreck Ukraine and kill more and more of its people. That impacts on the Russians too, which are the real target . It's obvious to any who care to follow and are free from partisan hogwash.

The corporations of the West make a packet knocking down states and then they get the contracts to build them up again, shades of Iraq again.

A prolonged war is sure to damage/destroy Russia more than a shorter one, that much should be obvious, even to you.

Ukraine is defending itself from Russia and you don't like it.

You appear to be far more concerned about the Russians then you do their victims.

And the attempt to introduce Iraq into the conversation is rather stupid. The US isn't the one wrecking Ukraine. Russia is.

A prolonged war is Putin's fault. Since the war itself is Putin's fault. And Putin can end this by respecting Ukraine sovereignity, returning to Russia and plaguing the world no more.

 

[oneworld2]

Ukraine is defending itself from Russia and you don't like it.

Struggling by any chance?

You appear to be far more concerned about the Russians then you do their victims.

Struggling by any chance?

And the attempt to introduce Iraq into the conversation is rather stupid. The US isn't the one wrecking Ukraine. Russia is.

No it's not. The US/Western arms corporations did amazingly well supplying the arms to wreck Iraq in that illegal war and then the likes of Halliburton and Bechtel etc did amazingly well in rebuilding contracts. War is a bonanza for some and your crying about the referencing of Iraq is hysterical, especially when it was you that brought up the rebuilding after wars yourself. Now you cry foul because of the inconvenience of the Iraqi comparison. lol

A prolonged war is Putin's fault. Since the war itself is Putin's fault. And Putin can end this by respecting Ukraine sovereignity, returning to Russia and plaguing the world no more.

No, if the West supplies the means and encourages Ukraine to fight on into a worse state of destruction they bear the responsibility too. As do the Ukrainians btw. There is always a way out through negotiations but everyone excludes that and shouts for more weapons, like you do. You cannot do that and claim to care about Ukrainians imo, you obviously just want to support the use of Ukrainians as proxies, which is vile.

 

[Fledermaus]

Struggling by any chance?

Struggling by any chance?

No it's not. The US/Western arms corporations did amazingly well supplying the arms to wreck Iraq in that illegal war and then the likes of Halliburton and Bechtel etc did amazingly well in rebuilding contracts. War is a bonanza for some and your crying about the referencing of Iraq is hysterical, especially when it was you that brought up the rebuilding after wars yourself. Now you cry foul because of the inconvenience of the Iraqi comparison. lol

No, if the West supplies the means and encourages Ukraine to fight on into a worse state of destruction they bear the responsibility too. As do the Ukrainians btw. There is always a way out through negotiations but everyone excludes that and shouts for more weapons, like you do. You cannot do that and claim to care about Ukrainians imo, you obviously just want to support the use of Ukrainians as proxies, which is vile.

More projection and general purpose BS.

No one in the west wants Ukraine destroyed. That is your rather stupid fantasy.

What the West wants is a free and independent Ukraine.

One that can be traded with since it is a major contributor to the world's food supply.

Nor does anyone seriously want Russia "destroyed". Defanged yes. But not destroyed. A "destroyed" Russia begat the Red Terror and the "destroyed" USSR begat the balkanization of the stans and a mixed bag of nations and ideologies around Russia.

So, why don't you like the idea of a free and independent Ukraine?

 

[oneworld2]

More projection and general purpose BS.

You make stupid statements and so should expect dismissive responses to them but you don't lol

No one in the west wants Ukraine destroyed. That is your rather stupid fantasy.

Show where I have stated such? I have stated that they don't care if Ukraine gets destroyed in its usefulness as a proxy with which to stick it to the Russians. They are the western/US leaderships btw some of which are using this to deflect from their own lacklustre performances

What the West wants is a free and independent Ukraine.

No, they want to use Ukraine/Ukrainians as proxies with which to attack Russia.

One that can be traded with since it is a major contributor to the world's food supply.

Now you care for all of the ME peoples and Africans lol, is there no end to your virtue signalling?

Clue, they were trading in grain prior to the war. It didn't depend on NATO or EU membership, nor on having Crimea.

Nor does anyone seriously want Russia "destroyed". Defanged yes. But not destroyed. A "destroyed" Russia begat the Red Terror and the "destroyed" USSR begat the balkanization of the stans and a mixed bag of nations and ideologies around Russia.

If you aren't prepared to take its nukes, how exactly is it to be " defanged" ? The same shit was spoken about Sadaam Hussein. Maybe it would be better if the US was " defanged" ? How many Iraqis, Palestinians, Syrians, Libyans, Iranians. Yemenese etc would still be alive today. Russia is yet to catch up on the death count

So, why don't you like the idea of a free and independent Ukraine?

I'm all for it but the reality is that all those who wish to support more and more weapons, people like yourself, are making sure imo that it will be wrecked beyond belief whereby " free and independent" are scant consolation and lies in and of themselves. How is it " independent" if it relies on others to rebuild the place?

 

[Fledermaus]

You make stupid statements and so should expect dismissive responses to them but you don't lol

Show where I have stated such? I have stated that they don't care if Ukraine gets destroyed in its usefulness as a proxy with which to stick it to the Russians. They are the western/US leaderships btw some of which are using this to deflect from their own lacklustre performances

No, they want to use Ukraine/Ukrainians as proxies with which to attack Russia.

Now you care for all of the ME peoples and Africans lol, is there no end to your virtue signalling?

Clue, they were trading in grain prior to the war. It didn't depend on NATO or EU membership, nor on having Crimea.

If you aren't prepared to take its nukes, how exactly is it to be " defanged" ? The same shit was spoken about Sadaam(sic) Hussein. Maybe it would be better if the US was " defanged" ? How many Iraqis, Palestinians, Syrians, Libyans, Iranians. Yemenese etc would still be alive today. Russia is yet to catch up on the death count

I'm all for it but the reality is that all those who wish to support more and more weapons, people like yourself, are making sure imo that it will be wrecked beyond belief whereby " free and independent" are scant consolation and lies in and of themselves. How is it " independent" if it relies on others to rebuild the place?

FFS you don't remember what you posted?

"It is arming them, knowing the country will be wrecked as the war continues and more and more people will be killed, so as to try to destroy Russia as a world leader/world power."

"The corporations of the West make a packet knocking down states and then they get the contracts to build them up again, shades of Iraq again."

"They don't care if Ukraine is bombed and beaten into the European equivalent of Afghanistan as long as it also helps destroy in part or completely an old adversay(sic) like the Russians."

The truth is no one in the west wants Ukraine to suffer.

Nor do they want Russia destroyed.

As to trading. They were trading prior to the Russian invasion. An invasion NATO membership would have prevented.

 

[oneworld2]

FFS you don't remember what you posted?

"It is arming them, knowing the country will be wrecked as the war continues and more and more people will be killed, so as to try to destroy Russia as a world leader/world power."

"The corporations of the West make a packet knocking down states and then they get the contracts to build them up again, shades of Iraq again."

"They don't care if Ukraine is bombed and beaten into the European equivalent of Afghanistan as long as it also helps destroy in part or completely an old adversay(sic) like the Russians."

The truth is no one in the west wants Ukraine to suffer.

Nor do they want Russia destroyed.

As to trading. They were trading prior to the Russian invasion. An invasion NATO membership would have prevented.

None of which backs your claim. Recall i say they, the profiteers and leaders of the west, don't care if Ukriane gets wrecked in the process of their use as western proxies. That's different to them " wanting" Ukraine to get wrecked. They don't care and that's the point.