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National ID Card

Do you like the idea of National ID cards?


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What do you all think about national ID cards?
in the next one or two years they will be required to board an airplane, open a bank account, enter a federal building or do anything that is regulated federally. there is also talk of having tracking devices in them and finger prints as well as retinal scans. Will you comply?

REAL ID Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I don't really understand what their purpose is. Just looking at the information that will be on them gets me a little confused :

* The person's full legal name.
* The person's date of birth.
* The person's sex.
* The person's driver's license or identification card number.
* A photograph of the person's face.
* The person's address of principal residence.
* The person's signature.
* Physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes.
* A common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements (the details of which are not spelled out, but left to the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Transportation and the states, to regulate).

Don't most states already have this info on their driver licenses?

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NVM read into it...IMO this is the only real purpose to them :

Funding some reports and pilot projects related to border security
 
Frankly I'm a little uncomfortable with the amount of information on various cards NOW. I bought a magnetic scanner just for fun, and decided to have a look at my driver's license. It had all of the information listed on the license, every car that I've owned, every traffic citation I've ever received, and information on my parents (since they co-signed for my license when I was 15) including THEIR citations.

I shudder to think how much information is on my credit cards. A national ID card just takes it one step further; it seems like an unnecessary invasion of privacy to me.
 
[slightly OT]Being German, I wonder - how many US citizens own a driver's license?
I understand you would require owning one or the other. In Germany, getting a driver's license is very expensive (almost $2,300), as you are required to attend a minimum number of practical and theoretical lessons, preliminary examinations, and pay final test fees. And there are no school-related courses.
German law requires registration of your place of residence and ownership of an ID card (currently without magnetic or retinal/fingerprint information, but will likely change), and health insurance, coming with a data chip and magnetic strip, is mandatory.
My opinion is that registration of habitation plus mandatory ID improves efficiency of law inforcement immensably. I always wondered, do the police and other law enforcement agencies in the US know where to find certain people, or is it all a matter of 'last seen surfacing'; do you have such registration, apart from voting rights / other optional things? If so, why have taxpayers throw out their money for lengthy research and inquiries while a person could be found or contacted within a day, with mandatory registration?
What concerns me is that whenever the gov't decides that technical novelties allow new and improved ID cards or passports, they force citizens to pay for them from their own pockets - currently a whopping $77.30 for the passport, while at the same time boasting how much money the administration will save:shrug: .
 
I believe if this country keeps up with the crap of putting more and more things on the people it will be a matter of time there will be an uprising! Im talking about a march on Washington D.C. I don't mean a few, we are talking in to the 1000"s. How much more crap can people take???
 
Yeah, I think I'll just never get a driver's license.:2razz:

Anyone want to go on a bike ride?


Duke
 
I believe if this country keeps up with the crap of putting more and more things on the people it will be a matter of time there will be an uprising! Im talking about a march on Washington D.C. I don't mean a few, we are talking in to the 1000"s. How much more crap can people take???

This country is in desperate need of a revolution, is anyone willing to fight? what happened to "give me liberty or give me death"?
 
seems like this issue should of been fought 20 years ago.

What can you do in this country without a SSN?

Good luck finding work, or insurance. Good luck opening up a bank account. Of course without work, you won't need one of those anyway.
 
Yup, these are pretty much just Social Security numbers, except in card form.
 
How can I form a company that will produce national ID cards. I would get rich with the rest of the companies that will produce them.

You know the Bush government would never had come up with this unless it was going to make some companies very rich.
 
How can I form a company that will produce national ID cards. I would get rich with the rest of the companies that will produce them.

You know the Bush government would never had come up with this unless it was going to make some companies very rich.

Did you even read the information provided? From my understanding, it's not a special card, it's just that they want all states to have certain information contained on state issued driver licenses and identification cards. Therefore, there won't be any special companies producing the cards.
 
Now hundreds of millions of regular folks will be inconvenienced to make it so that evil doers have to forge one or two more documents.

I'd love to see a cost-benefit. How many lives are we saving versus how many lifetimes' worth of red-tape we're creating.

And then the privacy issues...
 
What do you all think about national ID cards?
in the next one or two years they will be required to board an airplane, open a bank account, enter a federal building or do anything that is regulated federally. there is also talk of having tracking devices in them and finger prints as well as retinal scans. Will you comply?

REAL ID Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where there is a will there is a way and the counterfeiters will find a way.
 
Its all very 1984.I also think they are gonna result in just your average people getting fined "whos road tax is up today,fine them".The database in information will get bigger and bigger more and more cctv.till it gets to the point where the slightest misdemeanour results in a fine.
 
Its all very 1984.I also think they are gonna result in just your average people getting fined "whos road tax is up today,fine them".The database in information will get bigger and bigger more and more cctv.till it gets to the point where the slightest misdemeanour results in a fine.

...People need to stop referring to fiction books when talking about real life. This card is created so the government can change us for more bullshit and start more pet projects. Nothing more nothing else.
 
...People need to stop referring to fiction books when talking about real life. This card is created so the government can change us for more bullshit and start more pet projects. Nothing more nothing else.

I disagree fining people is great way for a government to make money it ID cards are a means to achieve this not that im saying that is their original purpose.
 
[slightly OT]Being German, I wonder - how many US citizens own a driver's license?
I understand you would require owning one or the other. In Germany, getting a driver's license is very expensive (almost $2,300), as you are required to attend a minimum number of practical and theoretical lessons, preliminary examinations, and pay final test fees. And there are no school-related courses.
German law requires registration of your place of residence and ownership of an ID card (currently without magnetic or retinal/fingerprint information, but will likely change), and health insurance, coming with a data chip and magnetic strip, is mandatory.
My opinion is that registration of habitation plus mandatory ID improves efficiency of law inforcement immensably. I always wondered, do the police and other law enforcement agencies in the US know where to find certain people, or is it all a matter of 'last seen surfacing'; do you have such registration, apart from voting rights / other optional things? If so, why have taxpayers throw out their money for lengthy research and inquiries while a person could be found or contacted within a day, with mandatory registration?
What concerns me is that whenever the gov't decides that technical novelties allow new and improved ID cards or passports, they force citizens to pay for them from their own pockets - currently a whopping $77.30 for the passport, while at the same time boasting how much money the administration will save:shrug: .

A good majority of those of us of legal driving age have a license. It doesn't cost us nearly as much to get a license, and the requirements vary from state to state...some require you to take a course, some want you to have "behind the wheel" training, and others just want you to show up to take the test. :lol:

As far as registration of habitation, we're supposed to update our information with the DMV when you move to a new location (especially if you move to another state, obviously), but a lot of people don't. It's hard to enforce, but some people are caught and there is a fine for not keeping your information correct. Having to register your license plate every year helps....when a cop runs your license plate, if the address shown with that information doesn't match the information on your license, well, obviously you haven't done what you were supposed to do, and you can be fined. But to answer your question about that a little more simply...no, it's not just a matter of trying to find someone based upon where they were last seen, unless they haven't kept their information current. If they have a drivers license and have current information on record, all it takes is a quick look in the system to find their address. And if they don't have a license? If they have a state ID card, their information is also available through the DMV system. If they don't have either, then it's a little trickier and does sort of resort back to where they were last seen/known to live.

Police and other law enforcement agencies do have a wealth of resources to locate a person, especially if they are a repeat offender. I understand what you're saying about mandatory registration, and in theory it is a good idea, but there are just too many people that would circumvent the system somehow.
 
"Will You Comply"

A few states won't at first. But eventually money talks.

The annoying aspect is what is ignored. Why bother pretending to be a nation governed by law when the federal goverment bullies the states into doing exactly what they want.

This is the shining example of our constitution and what it stands for today. The federal government gets a national ID in 2008 by blackmailing the states into it. Case closed.
 
"Will You Comply"

A few states won't at first. But eventually money talks.

The annoying aspect is what is ignored. Why bother pretending to be a nation governed by law when the federal goverment bullies the states into doing exactly what they want.

This is the shining example of our constitution and what it stands for today. The federal government gets a national ID in 2008 by blackmailing the states into it. Case closed.

I am not asking if you think your state will comply, I am asking wether or not you personaly will comply if it is required in your state and all the others.

it is the people who dont like it and know its wrong, but go along with it anyway that are wrong with this country.
 
I am not asking if you think your state will comply, I am asking wether or not you personaly will comply if it is required in your state and all the others.

it is the people who dont like it and know its wrong, but go along with it anyway that are wrong with this country.

the old classic. "It's guys like you that are wrong with this country." :roll:

I don't know. Maybe I should take matters in my own hands. Come to think of it our rampant decent into socialism came pretty shortly after giving women a say in government.

But back to reality. Yes I will comply. I need to drive to work. And I need to take care of my family. The reality of the situation is that limited views of government aren't too popular and I have enough sense to not start a fight that I can't win.
 
Did you even read the information provided? From my understanding, it's not a special card, it's just that they want all states to have certain information contained on state issued driver licenses and identification cards. Therefore, there won't be any special companies producing the cards.
My Understanding is that it will have chips in it and when the card is run through a machine that looks like a credit card reader, that very private information will be released to the person doing the inquirey. Degree of information released will depend on the chips encoded in the reading machine.
and the location of the machine. Big Brother will be watching.
If you did not vote for Bush, will we be allowed to leave the uSA?
 
I do not intend to comply. (easy to say now)
A lot of people are opposed to the idea of N.I.D cards. If enough people don't comply what will happen?

Automotive industry will collapse.
Airline industry will collapse.
Small & Big businesses will fold.
Travel industry will collapse
Oil Industry will collapse.
etc, etc...

When faced with this, the government will have no choice but to LISTEN to its people. This may be the 'revolution' some are hoping for.

I would not be surprised if there is another major 'attack' or catastrophe just before N.I.D's are brought in.
Problem: Enemies on the home front
Reaction: Public fear, and desire to be protected
Solution: N.I.D's

We've seen it before...
Problem: 9/11
Reaction: Public fear, and desire to be protected
Solution: The Patriot Act

N.I.D's may start out innocently enough, but it will turn into something far different over the years. They know enough about me already. If they want to find me, they can. If I didn't want to be found, even with a N.I.D, I could find a way to get around it. All N.I.D's will do is force good people to give over more of their privacy, and drive bad people farther underground...

Papers Please?

Peace
 
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