National Academy of Sciences Says Earth is now warmer than in 12,000 Years (1 Viewer)

[ALiberalModerate]

We all know the anti-science right, you know the guys who some 150 years later still don’t accept evolution science….

The guys who think that if they could just get access to Mount Ararat, that they could find Noah's Ark….

The guys who go around giving "Young Earth" seminars…..

The guys who think that DDT is so safe that you could drink like a glass of water…..

The guys who think the solution to acid rain may well be just “liming the Adirondacks”…

The guys who want to throw out the scientific method and the “naturalism” that they believe it promotes….

Yes, we all know who I am referring, basically it’s the guys who consistently reject mainstream peer reviewed science, and instead, look to industry funded think tanks and propaganda sites as well as ideological columns and fundie sources to back up their pre-conceived notions. Some might call them “Nut Jobs”, but for the purposes of this thread, I think it would be better to refer to them as being grossly misinformed. You see, this grossly misinformed group held this notion that simply because some scientists had called into question some of the proxy data and method’s behind what they call “Mann’s Hockey Stick”, that Anthropogenic Global Warming was a vast conspiracy. To back up their notion, they had the rants of various Rush Limbaugh clones and some industry funded politicians. Now you might think to yourself: “Why would someone take the word of Talk Radio Blowhards and Bought and Paid for Politicians over virtually all of mainstream Science?”. Well that’s a good question, but then again who knows what goes on in the heads of people who still question evolution, and honestly believe that all the world’s animals were all literally lead up onto a giant ship and thus saved from a flood that covered the entire world. Otherwise, we are not talking about reasoned and objective people here. Thus, when it was pointed out that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a theory backed by multiple lines of evidence, and questioning some 8-year-old study at this point is irrelevant to the theory itself, it really had no impact with them.

That is why its probably safe to say that a study soon to be published with the National Academy of Sciences that has found that we are warmer today than in 12,000 years, and only one degree away from being warmer than in a million years, wont have any affect on them either. After all, in their minds, Limbaugh and industry funded Lobbyists are far more credible than The National Academy of Sciences.

However, for those of you who are capable of actually thinking objectively, you can read more here: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=2489742

 

[Kandahar]

I agree with the main point you're making, but one small correction:

The guys who think that DDT is so safe that you could drink like a glass of water…..

DDT has never been proven to be dangerous to humans, certainly not in the quantities necessary to kill pests. If it were used throughout Africa, it would certainly save millions of lives from malaria.

The only thing DDT has been proven to do is to make the eggshells of birds thinner. In this particular case, the "anti-science" movement comes from the environmentalists.


But other than that, you're absolutely right. The overwhelming scientific consensus is that global warming is real and is being caused by humans. And anyone who still doubts evolution is an idiot.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I agree with the main point you're making, but one small correction:



DDT has never been proven to be dangerous to humans, certainly not in the quantities necessary to kill pests. If it were used throughout Africa, it would certainly save millions of lives from malaria.

The only thing DDT has been proven to do is to make the eggshells of birds thinner. In this particular case, the "anti-science" movement comes from the environmentalists.

I was being more sarcastic than anything else with that. It is a commonly heard quote from Ditto-Heads that DDT is so safe you could drink it. While you are right that it is fairly safe to humans in small quantities, in large quantities (like drinking it) it has been shown to be harmful. That said, your right, it could save lives by using it in Africa. However, at what cost? The environmental costs to birds and aquatic life from DDT use is well documented, and as we know, such effects have a cascading effect through an entire ecosystem. You simply never know when the extinction of a vole in an ecosystem could eventually mean the eventual extintion of elephants in that same ecosystem. Moreover, it has been shown that insects develop a resistance to DDT over time. Finally, many urban areas in Africa that are now experiencing malaria epidemics are just now experiencing them due to a warming climate as the cities had been located altitude wise just above the mosquito line prior to Global Warming.

 

[Stinger]

What was the temperature on this day 12,000 years ago? And what is the harmful effect we are seeing now with the temperature where is currently is?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

What was the temperature on this day 12,000 years ago? And what is the harmful effect we are seeing now with the temperature where is currently is?

You are confusing climate and weather, and your first question also displays an ignorance of science and how it works. The temperature on any given day would be the weather that day. Long term weather is climate.

As to what harmful effects we are seeing today. For starters, permafrost melt in much Alaska, Siberia, and parts of Northern Canada has resulted in the collapse of roads and buildings. Increased severe weather events. Decling polar bear populations.

If there is no risk, why is the insurance industry so worried? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/04/AR2005100401700.html