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Nation Writer Labels the Constitution ‘Trash’

Nickyjo said:
What’s your problem? As he explained, the Constitution as written up until after the Civil War might appear to be trash to any black person. Or to any woman before 1919.
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It’s not our problem, it’s his. More specifically, it’s his complete lack of historical context leading him to say foolish things and, as a consequence, almost certainly do more harm to his cause than good.
 
NatMorton said:
I think we can fairly label Elie Mystal, justice correspondent for The Nation, an idiot.
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Why?

Besides just because of your obviously biased opinion against the man.
 
There is no reason to listen to Elie Mystal, when trying to make a point by bastardizing everyone's work from founding to current it equates the position with starting nonsense for only that reason.
 
LouC said:
Why?

Besides just because of your obviously biased opinion against the man.
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I don’t have a bias against him. I simply think he’s behaving like a nitwit for spouting an anti-intellectual critique of what may be the most important document in human history. His assessment is idiotic, as have been the attempts to defend him here.
 
NatMorton said:
I don’t have a bias against him. I simply think he’s behaving like a nitwit for spouting an anti-intellectual critique of what may be the most important document in human history. His assessment is idiotic, as have been the attempts to defend him here.
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Except for Black 3/5 ths people perhaps?

His arguments are quite intellectual if one actually reads them and comprehends but admittedly they were peppered with phraseology that has certainly triggered folks, as he very much intended.
 
LouC said:
Except for Black 3/5 ths people perhaps?

His arguments are quite intellectual if one actually reads them and comprehends but admittedly they were peppered with phraseology that has certainly triggered folks, as he very much intended.
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No, he is making the absolutely foolish mistake of judging historical events by today's standards. It's about as brain dead and exercise as one can engage in on the subject.
 
It's always amazing to me just how upset some people get about someone's opinion on the constitution.
Sure, it's an important document but it is just a document and has been amended multiple times so was far from perfect.
It's not sacred or it wouldn't have been able to be amended and I see no problem with people having negative opinions about it as they can with any other legal document regarding the foundation of nations.
It was written by people and is fallible, get over it.
 
Peter said:
It's always amazing to me just how upset some people get about someone's opinion on the constitution.
Sure, it's an important document but it is just a document and has been amended multiple times so was far from perfect.
It's not sacred or it wouldn't have been able to be amended and I see no problem with people having negative opinions about it as they can with any other legal document regarding the foundation of nations.
It was written by people and is fallible, get over it.
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There’s nothing wrong with labeling Mystal’s opinion foolish.
 
NatMorton said:
There’s nothing wrong with labeling Mystal’s opinion foolish.
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There are people here claiming the constitution is sacred though which it just isn't.
It's an odd position to take.
 
Glitch said:
I consider the US Constitution to be the Supreme Law of the Land that government is required to abide. Those who violate it should be removed from power, permanently.
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You also consider your own interpretation of the US Constitution to be the only valid one. In that way, you are a fundamentalist with his Bible.
 
Schism said:
Nation Writer Labels the Constitution ‘Trash’


Like I've said many times, the left are coming for the Constitution.

This is part of the media tour and promotion. Essay's, books, and interpretive dance numbers are next, and that's when NPR will pick up on it.
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Writer for website that ranks 54,242 in the world, has extreme opinion...

So what, who cares. You are claiming a writer for a website that might get 20,000 pageviews a month is somehow representative of the 'the left'?
 
The monied Establishment, which funds all leftwing activity and propaganda, has had the goal of getting rid of the Constitution for over 100 years.

It is a testament to the solid founding of our nation, and the integrity and resolve of previous generations that we have held on this long.

That said, we are in our death throes. Our currency has been debauched (deliberately), and will collapse within a few years.

The war in Eastern Europe, the coronavirus attack, 9/11 and the subsequent attack on our liberty, ironically named "The Patriot Act", have all been part of the end game.

All of the events of the 20th century were orchestrated by the monied elite to achieve this end. The Viet Nam war, Korean War, the UN, the phony global warming propaganda, building China up, bankrupting our own country, perverting the curriculum in our public schools, etc... all of it - the same fingerprints and money trails all come from the Establishment.

It took them over 100 years and multiple generations, but they're finally close to realizing their goal of global hegemony. The U.S. Constitution has always been the biggest obstacle to them achieving their goal.
 
LouC said:
Except for Black 3/5 ths people perhaps?

His arguments are quite intellectual if one actually reads them and comprehends but admittedly they were peppered with phraseology that has certainly triggered folks, as he very much intended.
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LouC, the first mistake Elie Mystal made was judging the penning of the Constitution through the lens of today's society. We have come a long way since then and we have righted a lot of wrongs, but one must view the inception of the Constitution through the lens of the time it was penned. Back when the Constitution was written Blacks were considered only 3/5 of a person, is it the same way today, NO, Blacks have the same rights as anyone in this country, no less, no more, how is this wrong?
To sit and complain about how a document was written 235 years ago is a huge exercise in stupidity and to even compare it with today's standards is even more so. To completely ignore the changes that have taken place within the Constitution, through the amendment process, is even a greater exercise in stupidity. Nobody is saying the Constitution is perfect, this is why we have a process to amend it. This document called the Constitution is all about HOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHALL OPERATE nothing more, it is a compact between We the People and a governmental body in which We the People created. Look at the Constitution we have today, with all of its amendments, and show me where it is racist.
 
Rich2018 said:
Why not ?

It's a poorly written document - probably the worst written constitution in the Western world - and is in urgent need of a re-write.
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By “worst written” you mean “non Marxist”
 
To say that blacks were considered 3/5 of a person is incorrect; rather, 3/5 of the total number of blacks were to be counted toward the official population count.

There's a difference.
 
Rich2018 said:
Why not ?

It's a poorly written document - probably the worst written constitution in the Western world - and is in urgent need of a re-write.
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Rich, through out the 3 years you have been on this forum, you have stated many time the same mantra.

Please explain as to why it is the worst written constitution in the Western world?

First, the constitution is nothing more than a set of instructions on how our government is to be formed and how it will operate. It also has a process incorporated within it to make changes when We the People deem it necessary, and there have been 27 changes to this document. When the people choose to make another amendment to this document they are free to do so, as long as 2/3rds agree to it.

Second, this document does not restrict society, it was never intended to do so. We live in a country to where we are free to do as we choose as long as it doesn't infringe on another persons freedom to do the same, this is why we have laws.

Judging from your rhetoric over the years, you think that this Constitution should have been written to control the everyday activities of society in general. This idea goes against everything that the people in 1775 believed in, this is why they fought a war, to end the oppression of a tyrannical government.

So, I ask you again, what is it that this document so get under your skin.
 
ALiberalModerate said:
You also consider your own interpretation of the US Constitution to be the only valid one. In that way, you are a fundamentalist with his Bible.
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My interpretation coincides with the Supreme Court's interpretation 99% of the time. The last time I checked the US Constitution was not the bible. Are you able to comprehend the difference? I wouldn't be surprised if you are not, considering the sorry state of education in the US thanks to leftist filth. The majority of Americans graduating high school today are functional illiterates.
 
Rich2018 said:
No it's not.
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Rich, Article VI, Clause 2, would disagree with you on this.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
 
Rich2018 said:
No it doesn't.
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For your reading pleasure a quote from the Constitution itself.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any ...
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If I you, I would reference the bolded parts. :cool: Why do I feel like Lord Vader, this is all too easy.
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