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Nation with Crumbling Bridges and Roads Excited to Build Giant Wall

lb_on_teh_cb said:
yeah makes sense. only thing is i'm not sure how much compliance there would be from various cities and states. i doubt for example that San Francisco or any of the other hundreds of sanctuary cities would bother unless there were consequences.
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Good point. The fine would have to apply to public employers as well.


lb_on_teh_cb said:
well im sure that will put a crimp in Trumps vacation plans. maybe uganda will ban him next.
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I hear Cuba is opening up, and the Canadians say their resorts are quite nice.
 
NoLeftNoRight said:
To liberals / Socialists / Communists.....this is the very best use of taxpayer money unfortunately. They don't see it as a cost at all......AS LONG AS.....it's someone else's money being pilfered and wasted.

What they refuse to confess or see is that there is NOT an endless supply of other peoples money when you're destroying the system under which they were able to generate it.
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The most difficult thing to swallow is the understanding of the motivation for this effort. Whether it be to increase political power, or, in the case of the powerbrokers driving the socialist progressive movement, an offensive designed to dilute national sovereignty, in order to bring about a global social justice based society they want to control, it all adds up to the same result.

All this effort is unnatural, and doomed to failure.
 
lb_on_teh_cb said:
well "we" dont, maybe big business does
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I suppose you are correct to a point.

However, big business sends the jobs there because they must maintain profits in order to survive. Consider the $10's of billions they have to spend, from bottom line profits, in order to meet the every increasing demands of government policy. How do they generate that kind of revenue without turning to every means possible?
 
ocean515 said:
I suppose you are correct to a point.

However, big business sends the jobs there because they must maintain profits in order to survive. Consider the $10's of billions they have to spend, from bottom line profits, in order to meet the every increasing demands of government policy. How do they generate that kind of revenue without turning to every means possible?
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you're making excuses for them. if they have no loyalty to the people of this country then we should have none towards them.
 
joG said:
There seems no justification for most of those costs. Under no circumstances other than political persecution should illegal entry be rewarded by anything but immediate repatriation.
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Over the decades, I've watched Southern California degenerate into a quagmire of third world standards. For the most part, there is no desire by illegal aliens to learn why the US is successful, and Mexico is a failure. What they have done is simply duplicate the same failure model the culture they left behind in Mexico follows.
 
LEave the Pope alone. Theres a perfectly good reaso....

oh...wait...

Giant wall and crumbling roads...I thought you were talking about the Vatican. I should have waited to see if the term 'oppressive immigration policy' was used...
 
lb_on_teh_cb said:
you're making excuses for them. if they have no loyalty to the people of this country then we should have none towards them.
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I'm not making excuses. You're ignoring reality. How much do you think it costs an automobile manufacturer to meet some new government regulation the EPA or DOT has pushed on them?

It takes years, and many billions of dollars to bring a new vehicle to market. While they are forced to meet these requirements, they still have to stay in business. This federal pressure is why Fiat/Chrysler is failing in the US. It's why Ford and GM build cars in Mexico. They are forced to sell small cars to meet CAFE gas standards, but can't make enough money on them if they are built in the US, under prevailing wage requirements.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Indeed. And spending a few billion building a wall, under which many tunnels would no doubt be built, is far better than simply enforcing the law against hiring illegals. After all, the people doing the hiring also contribute to campaigns, and no one wants to get them mad at us, do they?
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What do you think happens when they can't get jobs? They turn to crime, which then creates a crime problem. America simply can't just afford every immigrant, and be better off. It's not plausible, Germany and other successful European countries ship them out for a reason, and are party successful for such reasons.

It's not an issue you can look at subjectively to appease your subconscious' empathy. It's an issue that needs to be addressed with the practicality of limited resource, and if not addressed as such, not only continues to hurt those immigrants to begin with, but then also hurts the native population.
 
thenotorious said:
What do you think happens when they can't get jobs? They turn to crime, which then creates a crime problem. America simply can't just afford every immigrant, and be better off. It's not plausible, Germany and other successful European countries ship them out for a reason, and are party successful for such reasons.

It's not an issue you can look at subjectively to appease your subconscious' empathy. It's an issue that needs to be addressed with the practicality of limited resource, and if not addressed as such, not only continues to hurt those immigrants to begin with, but then also hurts the native population.
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We do need to go beyond simply fining the employers. There needs to be a way for the illegals to return home, but with a good chance of coming back legitimately. If there were a way for them to go to an American embassy, show that they have been living, working, and paying taxes in the US for a period of time, if they can pass a background check and have no felony convictions, then they need to be allowed to return and not have to be looking over their shoulders for the Migra (Mexican's word for the immigration authorities).

But, that won't fly either, as the employers would then have to deal with legal workers who could do things like demand fair employment practices and such. We can't have that, you know. So, let's rant, hoot, blame "liberals" and Democrats, and beat the drum for a huge and expensive unworkable boondoggle. Conservatives like great big boondoggles, you know.
 
Beaudreaux said:
The vast majority of all roads and bridges in the US are built, owned, and maintained by state and local governments on NON-FHwA Federal Aid System Roads.
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Correct, and the great wall of Trump would be paid for by Mexico.
 
Privatize the Interstate highways...the bridges would get fixed MUCH faster and cheaper then they ever would be under government control.

Plus, with the monopoly gone, America might finally have a chance at making a private, high speed rail network financially feasible...which (apparently) it is not now thanks to the massive government subsidies for the interstate highways.
 
Dittohead not! said:
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Sometimes what is intended as satire strikes close to the truth.
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very true. the highways and bridges around here are pretty much ****ed. an SUV can handle it, but when i drive my Mini on them, i have to actively dodge potholes and hollow bridge seams. some of the county roads should probably just go back to gravel at this point. i feel bad for people who ride motorcycles more than i do. i choose roads pretty carefully when i ride.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I was just pointing out a fact A fact that those that think the feds pay for everything just don't seem to understand. I wasn't defending Trump.
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and you are correct. Quite a lot of our crumbling infrastructure is maintained by state and local governments. Feds mostly just pay for the interstates.
 
dimensionallava said:
to be fair, if building roads and bridges oppressed minorities in some way, I'm sure republicans would be all over it
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Having lousy roads would help keep the illegals from going very far very fast once they manage to tunnel under the Great Wall.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, and I can link you to a site that says that the Earth is flat, and one that says the Earth is the center of the universe. There is a lot of disinformation on the web. We might even be able to find one that says a fence would actually work, but I haven't tried to find it yet.
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once we got serious about patrolling the border and the illegals got sent back 10, 15 times in a row again and again they would eventually start to figure out its not worth their time and give up.

some of them might even figure out that most folks dont want them here


dimensionallava said:
to be fair, if building roads and bridges oppressed minorities in some way, I'm sure republicans would be all over it
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and im sure you will figure out a way it does
 
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lb_on_teh_cb said:
once we got serious about patrolling the border and the illegals got sent back 10, 15 times in a row again and again they would eventually start to figure out its not worth their time and give up.

some of them might even figure out that most folks dont want them here




and im sure you will figure out a way it does
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Ever stop to add up the cost of building a two thousand mile wall, then patrolling it?

Versus the cost benefit of simply enforcing the law, it's pretty clear which is the practical solution.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Ever stop to add up the cost of building a two thousand mile wall, then patrolling it?

Versus the cost benefit of simply enforcing the law, it's pretty clear which is the practical solution.
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i dont care, i want them out.

say they illegals are costing $10 billion a year - and the wall cost say $1000 per foot to build or $5 million per mile (is it a reasonable guess?) - thats roughly $10 billion for a 2,000 mile fence

or say it cost 10x as much, then it pays for itself in 10 years. if you build a service road just on this side of the fence so the border patrol can quickly move and then sensors and infrared cameras every so often and drones to fill in the gaps, eventually they give up and you scale back on the manpower.

edit: i would go for your solution but i dont think that you could get some cities or states to have their police actually check and enforce it - and what are the manpower costs on that?
 
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lb_on_teh_cb said:
i dont care, i want them out.

say they illegals are costing $10 billion a year - and the wall cost say $1000 per foot to build or $5 million per mile (is it a reasonable guess?) - thats roughly $10 billion for a 2,000 mile fence

or say it cost 10x as much, then it pays for itself in 10 years. if you build a service road just on this side of the fence so the border patrol can quickly move and then sensors and infrared cameras every so often and drones to fill in the gaps, eventually they give up and you scale back on the manpower.

im so sick of them i cant wait until they're gone
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So, you so dislike the illegals that you are willing to take what "they say" and run with it. I say that the wall would be a huge boondoggle, it would not work, would cost a ton of money, and is impractical. What I say is backed up by the many tunnels that have already been found under the border, and by the cost of prosecuting even one deportation, let alone however many millions you choose to believe there are.

This is an issue that has been festering for over sixty years now, and is not going to be easy to solve, certainly not by starting from the idea that you or anyone else doesn't like illegals and simply wants them gone. There must be a practical and humanitarian solution worked out by cooler heads.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, you so dislike the illegals that you are willing to take what "they say" and run with it. I say that the wall would be a huge boondoggle, it would not work, would cost a ton of money, and is impractical. What I say is backed up by the many tunnels that have already been found under the border, and by the cost of prosecuting even one deportation, let alone however many millions you choose to believe there are.

This is an issue that has been festering for over sixty years now, and is not going to be easy to solve, certainly not by starting from the idea that you or anyone else doesn't like illegals and simply wants them gone. There must be a practical and humanitarian solution worked out by cooler heads.
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i dont think you really care about illegal immigration
 
letting in 2,000,000 impoverished disease ridden immigrants each year does nothing to help our infrastructure problems.


if we redirect our 40,000,000,000/year in foreign aid to countries that hate us, i think we can build the wall just fine.


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800, 000/KM including materials and labor. 2.5m high. the border is 3200km long. 2,560,000,000 to construct the wall.


dispute me with logic, facts, and sources relating to building a concrete wall. by my calculations we can build 15 2.5m high walls across the entire US-MEXICO border for what we spend on ungrateful foreigners in a single year.

but, we only need 1, so we can redirect the other 37,500,000,000 dollars to reinforcing and rebuilding our crumbling bridges.

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