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Were there an army of Mexican Woman and Children marching across the border at me, and I was ordered to fire... I would disobey orders.
You're twisting my logic, of course you have the right to secure your borders, find the illegals and deport them if you must. But I simply do not see the answer being shooting everyone that starts crossing, are you honestly suggesting that everyone that crosses the border has the malicious intent of causing harm to you?
Get Apache helicopters and destroy the cartels for all I care, if they're causin trouble, wipe em out. But I simply cannot condone shooting innocent people that just want a better life, RIGHT or WRONG.
Sorry but the revolving door deportation policy obviously doesn't work, the nation state has the right to the use of lethal force to secure its border just as the individual has the right to defend his property against trespassers. This whole "think of the children" scheme that you have worked up isn't buying any sympathy from me, because a) the use of deadly force would be used at the officers discretion, and b) the blood of any children killed would be on the hands of those who brought them across the border illegally knowing that it was risking their lives. Besides how many sane people who aren't working with the cartels are actually going to cross the border when they know that every time they do they are putting their own lives at risk. Hell the threat of lethal force alone would probably drop the immigration rate exponentially.
a) the use of deadly force would be used at the officers discretion, and b).
Hey... go have fun shooting children at the Border Ferris... I would never wanna order such a thing...
I get the illegal thing, if it was happening here I'd feel just as pissed off as you. But there has to be a better way then killing... I already admitted I didn't know what the answer was... but I'm sure it isn't killing. Call it a hunch but its not the way. We have to be better then that.
This is a ****ing war pal, Los Zetas is murdering hundreds of ****ing people every ****ing day on both sides of the border and and in addition to running the entirety of Northern Mexico has actually taken over territory from the U.S., we're not talking about a street gang here we're talking about a highly disciplined organization with a military command structure which was founded by a special forces unit of trained assassins armed to the teeth with unlimited funds and resource, there is no other way to secure the border than to resort to a war footing and that means a no man's land along the border with anti-personel mines and shoot on site authorization for our border guards. These guys make Pablo Escobar look like a *****.
The pressure, the WH is putting on Arizona´s governor is ruthless. The governor will not call, the state National Guard because "Arizona doesn't have any money". The governor wants the feds to pay for it, and/or send troops. She knows damn well, the feds will not send jack****
It appears that way
You have the right to secure your borders, but not to gun down innocent civillians who cross the border in a desperate attempt for a better life. Yeah it sucks, and it shouldn't happen, but killing is not the answer... it raises the stakes, and violence will be met with violence, and more people will die.
I don't know what the answer is... but if you wanna send marines to the border to play Rambo, you better be ready for all the consequences...
Another example of conservatives grossly exaggerating what liberals think. Hear it often enough and you actually start to think it's true!
Now, who is willing to sign up. Sign up, to kill women and children because thats what it will take to stop the leaky faucet
I said, go wipe out the cartels with helicopters and troops if that's what you wanna do buddy.
But we do not have to kill Woman and Children in t he process.
You have the right to secure your borders, but not to gun down innocent civillians who cross the border in a desperate attempt for a better life. Yeah it sucks, and it shouldn't happen, but killing is not the answer... it raises the stakes, and violence will be met with violence, and more people will die.
I don't know what the answer is... but if you wanna send marines to the border to play Rambo, you better be ready for all the consequences...
Brilliant military strategy, allow the enemy to continue to infiltrate behind your ranks while you're busy targeting goats with helicopters in the ****ing desert.
If they're crossing the borders illegally, then they're not innocent and its pefectly ok to perforate them.
LOL... I wasn't thinking helicopters as much as say 100-150 tanks and maybe 2-3000 soldiers should cut it, and if the resistance heats up to where it can't be handled, then we will know to call it what it is : a HOT invasion of the country.
I've been left with the impression overall that most soldiers will avoid shooting women and children if it can be avoided either way.
If they're crossing the borders illegally, then they're not innocent and its pefectly ok to perforate them.
You don't have to shoot them, but go in armed, so if they DO start shooting, you can still send them back.
Should we gun down jaywalkers too?
Illegal immigration is a serious issue
and should be addressed, but we need to maintain some sense of perspective here.
Should we gun down jaywalkers too? Afterall they are also guilty of a crime! I can see it now, a glorious field of sniper towers across our urban landscape gunning down any who dare cross outside the designated crosswalk.
Illegal immigration is a serious issue and should be addressed, but we need to maintain some sense of perspective here.
Land mines were developed specifically to provide unmonitored wide-area perimeter defense.
Mine fields are extremely effective at curbing transgression.
If the street marks the US-Mexico border, then sure, blast away.
Yes, and the first step is interdiction of all unauthorized border crossings by the most effective means possible.
That means fences to mark the boundary, bullets and explosives to train the enemy that business is now serious.
My perspective is that my country is being over run by enemy aliens to the detriment of my children's future.
I joined the military to protect this nation.
That means I'm not averse to killing the enemy.
NOBODY is advocating shooting down families crossing the border...
they should be rounded up, arrested as they are caught, and be extradited. The army going in is ONLY suggested because there are cops being KILLED and they can no longer handle the situation on their own.
They are also considered to be crimes against humanity to be used in conflict zones BECAUSE they kill indiscriminately.
I would argue to give them the option of surrender first...
Exactly... the only downside with fences is that there are areas where private property concerns interfere.
Thank you... and if it's women and children then they would be best done to surrender when found.
You need to shut the border the **** down like the 38th parallel in Korea.
Many Americans would think that would turn the US into the old USSR or N Korea besides our entire LATAM policy is set by the Mexican lobby and Cuban expat community in Miami. That won't happen
Surely if people can dig under,go around or go through Canada then it shouldn't matter to pro-illegals if a wall is on the border.
If you had a leaky faucet would you close it as best you can so that only a little water gets through or do you let the water faucet run at full blast?
Many Americans would think that would turn the US into the old USSR or N Korea
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