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Nancy Pelosi Is Withholding Articles of Impeachment From Senate

RetiredUSN said:
No.....it is fact.

Obama tried to use to very same procedure in 2012 over the "Fast & Furious" debacle, but he failed because he was blocking documents that were not directly at him and his advisers. If the documents were directly related to him or his advisers, he would have won his argument.

- OBAMA ADMINISTRATION'S ABUSE OF POWER

The same goes for his cabinet...........if you actually care to read the package.

The president and his staff do not serve at the will of the congress............................hence the separation of powers.

The court most certainly can referee.
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No that is an opinion that they are related
 
AlphaOmega said:
hahahah good gid man! The russia conspiracy was a proven hoax. What planet have you guys been on for the last two years?
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And Biden has not yet stolen it for himself from other Democrats. LMAO
 
Robertinfremont said:
The Chief justice does not determine witnesses, the Senate does. As I said.
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The Democrats and the Republicans can call witnesses. The chief justice will rule if they are appropriate
 
veritas1 said:
The Senate doesn't have to call any witnesses at all nor should they. The charade should not be legitimized, simply dismissed. I might have Dershowitz eviscerate the flimsy exercise first and then vote but that's it.
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The Senate doesn’t have to do anything other than conduct a trial. It can make its own rules.

But the House is under no obligation to present their case immediately upon indictment.

McConnell is on the hook on this one.

He played to Trump and the mob over the weekend, when he announced his intention to collude with the defendant and not to even make a pretense of impartiality.

Nancy Pelosi just hung that, and that man of genius and inestimable character, Donald Trump, around his neck.
 
HumblePi said:
No, Adam Schiff as a former prosecutor, ran the impeachment hearings through protocol established in 2015 by the Republican Congress and John Boehner and whatever he had available to him which was sworn testimonies. Nothing but their testimony impeached Trump, nothing "pre-determined". It's only you on the right that feels it was, nobody else.

You want more proof? Then ask Mitch McConnell to call Mick Mulvaney and Rudy Giuliani to testify before the Senate. That would put your weak argument to rest once and for all.
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Congress could have gone to the courts, but they played the fast huddle game and it ended up blowing up in their faces.

Your team blew it.

It's over.

Get over it! :lamo
 
veritas1 said:
Using that criterion, Schiff was guilty of it for not letting the GOP call any witnesses. The articles do not charge Trump with obstruction of justice. If that was what they intended they should have said so.
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Schiff would not allow the whistleblower to be called to protect his/her ID nor would he allow irrelevant witness's to be called; he did NOT prevent the GOP from calling relevant witness's. Obstruction of Congress is a legitimate charge for impeachment.
 
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vegas giants said:
The Democrats and the Republicans can call witnesses. The chief justice will rule if they are appropriate
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I posted the rules. So show where you are correct?

As an aside, do you honestly expect that Roberts will allow this sham? LMAO
 
RetiredUSN said:
It's clear that you don't have a freaking clue.

Congress doesn't have the power to find anyone guilty in a impeachment. They vote to send the impeachment to the Senate.........................the Senate has the sole power to convict.
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The Senate has the power to convict and REMOVE. Impeachment is set in stone for history. Trump has already been impeached.
 
Irwin Corey said:
Schiff would not allow the whistleblower to be called to protect his ID nor would he allow irrelevant witness's to be called; he did NOT prevent the GOP from calling relevant witness's. Obstruction of Congress is a legitimate charge for impeachment.
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Schiff ran a sham. And you know it. Were this done to Clinton, Mrs. that is, you would bellow it is a pure sham.
 
veritas1 said:
They were attempting to establish facts but only allowed the people to testify who they thought were going to give them what they wanted to hear. Even that failed miserably. But, since it was pre-determined, it didn't matter what was said. Everyone saw it.
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I beg to differ that it failed miserably. Trump's corrupt ass was impeached last night. Did you miss the news? :lol:
 
Robertinfremont said:
I posted the rules. So show where you are correct?

As an aside, do you honestly expect that Roberts will allow this sham? LMAO
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Your post supports my claim. Show where it doesnt. Lol
 
HumblePi said:
The Senate has the power to convict and REMOVE. Impeachment is set in stone for history. Trump has already been impeached.
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I am not clear you are actually accurate. It is still in the house. I believe that until it is submitted to the Senate it is a hope by the Democrats.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Schiff ran a sham. And you know it. Were this done to Clinton, Mrs. that is, you would bellow it is a pure sham.
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You mean the 8 sham Benghazi investigations?

Clinton testified for 12 hours over that bull****. Trump hasn't testified for 12 seconds.

Why does Clinton have more balls than Trump?
 
RetiredUSN said:
Congress could have gone to the courts, but they played the fast huddle game and it ended up blowing up in their faces.

Your team blew it.

It's over.

Get over it! :lamo
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The Supreme Court upheld the power of Congressional subpoenas. Did you forget that little fact? In Anderson v. Dunn (1821), the Supreme Court of the United States held that Congress' power to hold someone in contempt was essential to ensure that Congress was "... not exposed to every indignity and interruption that rudeness, caprice, or even conspiracy, may mediate against it." Get over it.
 
HumblePi said:
Obviously you heard none of the testimonies.
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No my friend. I was glued to my computer screen. I did it for Clinton too.

Name one witness that supports the claim of obstruction of Congress?
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
You're making the "politics as usual" argument. A U.S. President soliciting foreign interference in his upcoming election is unprecedented. We're not debating health care, gun laws, or the minimum wage.

Most Republican Senators are going to have a very difficult time swallowing that bitter pill, especially if more damaging evidence comes out. You could very well be right, but it's not a sure thing.
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I'm not making that argument. I'm pointing out that his supporters don't care. If they haven't cared about his unprecedented behavior yet, hearing the same thing from more witnesses isn't likely to change that.

Why would you think Senators have a hard time? They vote to kill tens of thousands of Americans every year denying them healthcare. They prevent millions from voting. They won't let trump try to cheat in an election?
 
vegas giants said:
You are wrong if your claim is only the gop can call witnesses at the trial.


Flat out wrong
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Good since I never said that and you flat out told me we are in agreement. That the case, stop saying I am wrong.
 
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