N.Y. Senate passes bills on Trump's tax returns and pardon power

[MTAtech]

N.Y. Senate passes bills on Trump's tax returns and pardon power

The New York state Senate took a another step towards revealing President Trump's state tax returns, passing a bill on Wednesday which would require the release of any state tax returns requested by the chair of the federal House Ways and Means Committee, the Senate Finance Committee, or the Joint Committee on Taxation.
The bill is likely to pass the state Assembly, which is also controlled by Democrats, and to be signed by Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a frequent critic of Mr. Trump.

Since N.Y. taxes are similar to federal taxes, this is an end run around Trump’s obstruction to stop or delay releasing his taxes to Congress.

 

[Secular Heckler]

The problem is Trump may have received tax breaks from who???????

Corrupt Democrats - right????

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[apdst]

N.Y. Senate passes bills on Trump's tax returns and pardon power


Since N.Y. taxes are similar to federal taxes, this is an end run around Trump’s obstruction to stop or delay releasing his taxes to Congress.

This won't last long. It'll crash and burn on the floor of the Supreme Court...lol

 

[Lutherf]

N.Y. Senate passes bills on Trump's tax returns and pardon power


Since N.Y. taxes are similar to federal taxes, this is an end run around Trump’s obstruction to stop or delay releasing his taxes to Congress.

I'd have to consider suggesting to my clients that they pay in whatever tax is due on their return but not actually file the return if this crap keeps up. If government, state or federal, can pull a person's tax return for purely political reasons AND if they can not protect the returns they have received from disclosure to the media then the people have no assurance that their personal information won't be similarly abused.

I don't want any of my clients to go to jail but when we see politicians pulling crap like this it's time to stop handing the hangman more rope.

 

[OldFatGuy]

The problem is Trump may have received tax breaks from who???????

Corrupt Democrats - right????

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He was a democrat.

 

[bearpoker]

This won't last long. It'll crash and burn on the floor of the Supreme Court...lol

On what grounds? The Supremes don't mess with the states. They only do Federal stuff. So tell me, O Great Constitutional Scholar, what part of the constitution does this violate? These are about New York taxes and New York is a sovereign state. Aren't you supposed to be all about states rights? Staunch conservative that you are. Unless of course it inconveniences your your boy, Trump.

 

[trixare4kids]

N.Y. Senate passes bills on Trump's tax returns and pardon power


Since N.Y. taxes are similar to federal taxes, this is an end run around Trump’s obstruction to stop or delay releasing his taxes to Congress.

Here we go with political overreach. When will the haters aka the NY Senate Democrats realize that they cannot weaponize the senate to go after people they don't like, and in this case, Trump?

 

[tres borrachos]

On what grounds? The Supremes don't mess with the states. They only do Federal stuff. So tell me, O Great Constitutional Scholar, what part of the constitution does this violate? These are about New York taxes and New York is a sovereign state. Aren't you supposed to be all about states rights? Staunch conservative that you are. Unless of course it inconveniences your your boy, Trump.

They're for state's rights if Trump orders them to be for state's rights, and they're against state's rights when they know they will damage Father Trump.

Republicans are so confused these days. Good thing they have Father Trump to tell them what to think.

 

[TurtleDude]

They're for state's rights if Trump orders them to be for state's rights, and they're against state's rights when they know they will damage Father Trump.

Republicans are so confused these days. Good thing they have Father Trump to tell them what to think.

Why don't you tell us why this sort of action is proper? In an ideal world, there is no income tax-which was established-not for an efficient source of government income-but rather to give the government all sorts of powers that it was not given constitutionally. But do you believe candidates should lose any and all privacy on tax issues?

 

[Lutherf]

Why don't you tell us why this sort of action is proper? In an ideal world, there is no income tax-which was established-not for an efficient source of government income-but rather to give the government all sorts of powers that it was not given constitutionally. But do you believe candidates should lose any and all privacy on tax issues?

It's unfathomable to me that so many people seem to believe that any and all investigation into a citizen's personal, financial, private interests is not only tolerable but NECESSARY to "protect the Constitution". I mean, it just doesn't get any more backward than that but we have LOTS of elected officials acting on exactly that premise.

 

[trixare4kids]

On what grounds? The Supremes don't mess with the states. They only do Federal stuff. So tell me, O Great Constitutional Scholar, what part of the constitution does this violate? These are about New York taxes and New York is a sovereign state. Aren't you supposed to be all about states rights? Staunch conservative that you are. Unless of course it inconveniences your your boy, Trump.

Ever hear of the Supremacy Clause?

Article VI, Section 2, of the United States Constitution, commonly known as the Supremacy Clause, establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the "supreme law of the land". It provides that state courts are bound by the supreme law; in case of conflict between federal and state law, the federal law must be applied. Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.

Supremacy Clause - Wikipedia

 

[tres borrachos]

Why don't you tell us why this sort of action is proper? In an ideal world, there is no income tax-which was established-not for an efficient source of government income-but rather to give the government all sorts of powers that it was not given constitutionally. But do you believe candidates should lose any and all privacy on tax issues?

When did it become improper for a state's Senate to pass a law?

Tax issues? Your tax returns are not protected by privacy. When you submit your tax returns, they are the property of the IRS or the state you submit them to. As a lawyer, you should know this.

 

[TurtleDude]

When did it become improper for a state's Senate to pass a law?

Tax issues? Your tax returns are not protected by privacy. When you submit your tax returns, they are the property of the IRS or the state you submit them to. As a lawyer, you should know this.

so if the State taxing authority were to publish everyone's tax returns in say a newspaper of general circulation, that wouldn't be a problem to you?

 

[tres borrachos]

so if the State taxing authority were to publish everyone's tax returns in say a newspaper of general circulation, that wouldn't be a problem to you?

What on Earth is this hyperbole about? Who said anything about publishing everyone's tax returns in a newspaper? Is that part of the bill the NY Senate? Which page can I find that on?

 

[joko104]

I'd have to consider suggesting to my clients that they pay in whatever tax is due on their return but not actually file the return if this crap keeps up. If government, state or federal, can pull a person's tax return for purely political reasons AND if they can not protect the returns they have received from disclosure to the media then the people have no assurance that their personal information won't be similarly abused.

I don't want any of my clients to go to jail but when we see politicians pulling crap like this it's time to stop handing the hangman more rope.

If tax returns can be used, a person could claim the 5th amendment against filing them - though would have to pay the tax.

The CORE of certain confidentiality of tax returns is this prevents being able to take the 5th. With this action by New York State, anyone could refuse to file NY tax papers (but have to pay the tax) by sending the tax money with a letter stating the person was taking the 5th amendment so won't be sending any signed oaths about income. A person also could refuse an audit - at least no unless the IRS got a search warrant and then would have to find the tax records.

 

[joko104]

When did it become improper for a state's Senate to pass a law?

Tax issues? Your tax returns are not protected by privacy. When you submit your tax returns, they are the property of the IRS or the state you submit them to. As a lawyer, you should know this.

That would not pass constitutional testing, no different than passing a law repealing the 5th amendment would - since it is the same constitutional question.

 

[HumblePi]

Here we go with political overreach. When will the haters aka the NY Senate Democrats realize that they cannot weaponize the senate to go after people they don't like, and in this case, Trump?

As President of the United States, Trump intentionally targeted his 'enemies', purely out of spite. Example #1 is Barack Obama. With the stroke of his pen, he revoked and overwrote key parts of his predecessor’s domestic legacy. He has been more successful using the executive branch to undo Obama's legacy than he's had writing new legislation or working with Congress. It was much simpler for him to tear down policies than to build new ones.

Trump has proven to the entire world that he is not a leader, he is a destroyer, that's how he's been all his life. I knew it, everyone in New York and New Jersey knew it. He's a racketeer and a vindictive one at that. So please, don't get all teary eyed about how the State of NY is changing the tax laws in that State to prevent a cheating, lying, tax-evading scoundrel like Trump to ever hide their NY tax returns from anyone again.

 

[Phys251]

What on Earth is this hyperbole about? Who said anything about publishing everyone's tax returns in a newspaper? Is that part of the bill the NY Senate? Which page can I find that on?

Tres, you have to understand that in Turtleland, if you want to punish one person, that means you want to punish literally every single person in the country.

 

[MTAtech]

This won't last long. It'll crash and burn on the floor of the Supreme Court...lol

So much for conservatives, who used to say they believed in the 10th Amendment, ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.")

What in the Constitution prohibits a State from sharing state tax information with Congress, if the state sanctions it? You objection not only lacks merit, it is laughable.

 

[Frigidweirdo]

The problem is Trump may have received tax breaks from who???????

Corrupt Democrats - right????

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Oh, totally. The "pay to play" era though will mostly be lost, but still, there might be some other heads rolling.

 

[MTAtech]

Here we go with political overreach. When will the haters aka the NY Senate Democrats realize that they cannot weaponize the senate to go after people they don't like, and in this case, Trump?

Yeah, it's all about NYS being mean to Swampy and nothing to do with uncovering decades of criminal behavior. Your side -- and I do mean "side," because Trump apologists are indeed tribal, drives you to defend someone from oversight, who has been skimming and cheating all his life?

 

[Frigidweirdo]

So much for conservatives, who used to say they believed in the 10th Amendment, ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.")

What in the Constitution prohibits a State from sharing state tax information with Congress, if the state sanctions it? You objection not only lacks merit, it is laughable.

Compartmentalization, the ability to be able to argue about something and use one argument, then argue about something different and use the totally contrary argument.

Nothing really new there for partisan politics lovers....

 

[MTAtech]

Why don't you tell us why this sort of action is proper? In an ideal world, there is no income tax-which was established-not for an efficient source of government income-but rather to give the government all sorts of powers that it was not given constitutionally. But do you believe candidates should lose any and all privacy on tax issues?

The real question is why should a state be prohibited from volunteering tax information, which has no 4th Amendment protection, from sharing with federal law enforcement or Congressional investigations? It's like you would take John Gotti's side in keeping his activities hidden, so as to protect his criminal enterprise.

 

[Fletch]

Yeah, it's all about NYS being mean to Swampy and nothing to do with uncovering decades of criminal behavior. Your side -- and I do mean "side," because Trump apologists are indeed tribal, drives you to defend someone from oversight, who has been skimming and cheating all his life?

How is this oversight? And what criminal behavior will be exposed by seeing tax returns?

 

[MTAtech]

How is this oversight? And what criminal behavior will be exposed by seeing tax returns?

You’re putting the cart before the horse. Right now there is suspicion — suspicions that he is compromised due to his dealings with foreign powers, who may have undue influence on American policy. It also would be helpful to know for sure whether he’s a blackmail risk due to previous illegal activities, such as insurance fraud, tax evasion, etc.