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My Thoughts on Trans Pronoun Usage

NatMorton

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As so often happens on this topic, and just recently in an other thread this morning, someone has again attempted to lecture me about the evils of using the “wrong” pronouns. They claim it is disrespectful. I disagree, because what I find even more disrespectful is to lie to someone, even if they wish to be lied to.

The key thing to understand is that I do not share the left’s faith-based definition of gender. My definition is rooted in one’s DNA, not one’s imaginings or delusions. For that reason I would not, for example, refer to a trans woman as “she.” Out of respect, however, and in when in the presence of that trans woman, I would avoid masculine pronouns or the like with the understanding that using them would likely cause offense. While it may make for some award sentence structure, this is the compromise I’m willing to make.

In short, call yourself whatever you want, but if “let’s pretend” is your game you’re in no position to make demands that I join in the masquerade and perpetuate what I consider to be a lie.
 
NatMorton said:
As so often happens on this topic, and just recently in an other thread this morning, someone has again attempted to lecture me about the evils of using the “wrong” pronouns. They claim it is disrespectful. I disagree, because what I find even more disrespectful is to lie to someone, even if they wish to be lied to.

The key thing to understand is that I do not share the left’s faith-based definition of gender. My definition is rooted in one’s DNA, not one’s imaginings or delusions. For that reason I would not, for example, refer to a trans woman as “she.” Out of respect, however, and in when in the presence of that trans woman, I would avoid masculine pronouns or the like with the understanding that using them would likely cause offense. While it may make for some award sentence structure, this is the compromise I’m willing to make.

In short, call yourself whatever you want, but if “let’s pretend” is your game you’re in no position to make demands that I join in the masquerade and perpetuate what I consider to be a lie.
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When Robert asks you to call them Bob, do you get all offended? Do you always blame others for your emotional issues? That is what I think about pronoun usage.
 
It's a tool used by the left. Language will always be under constant attack by those who claim ownership and demand others misuse it.
 
NatMorton said:
As so often happens on this topic, and just recently in an other thread this morning, someone has again attempted to lecture me about the evils of using the “wrong” pronouns. They claim it is disrespectful. I disagree, because what I find even more disrespectful is to lie to someone, even if they wish to be lied to.

The key thing to understand is that I do not share the left’s faith-based definition of gender. My definition is rooted in one’s DNA, not one’s imaginings or delusions. For that reason I would not, for example, refer to a trans woman as “she.” Out of respect, however, and in when in the presence of that trans woman, I would avoid masculine pronouns or the like with the understanding that using them would likely cause offense. While it may make for some award sentence structure, this is the compromise I’m willing to make.

In short, call yourself whatever you want, but if “let’s pretend” is your game you’re in no position to make demands that I join in the masquerade and perpetuate what I consider to be a lie.
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You do not get to define what someone else should or should not find disrespectful. If you are trying to have a productive conversation with someone, you have to respect their cultural values, even if those values don't align with your own. This can apply to people from other countries, or other religions, just as much as it applies to transgender people.
 
Irredentist said:
You do not get to define what someone else should or should not find disrespectful. If you are trying to have a productive conversation with someone, you have to respect their cultural values, even if those values don't align with your own. This can apply to people from other countries, or other religions, just as much as it applies to transgender people.
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But we do get to define reality. No matter what the culture.
 
NatMorton said:
As so often happens on this topic, and just recently in an other thread this morning, someone has again attempted to lecture me about the evils of using the “wrong” pronouns. They claim it is disrespectful. I disagree, because what I find even more disrespectful is to lie to someone, even if they wish to be lied to.

The key thing to understand is that I do not share the left’s faith-based definition of gender. My definition is rooted in one’s DNA, not one’s imaginings or delusions. For that reason I would not, for example, refer to a trans woman as “she.” Out of respect, however, and in when in the presence of that trans woman, I would avoid masculine pronouns or the like with the understanding that using them would likely cause offense. While it may make for some award sentence structure, this is the compromise I’m willing to make.

In short, call yourself whatever you want, but if “let’s pretend” is your game you’re in no position to make demands that I join in the masquerade and perpetuate what I consider to be a lie.
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Yep. I also am willing to call them "transwomman" but I will not call them women for the same reason.

That word has a long well estsblished definition. This attempt to change the meaning has only caused confusion. I cant help but think that is part of the goal.

Because it was totally uneccesary. The term Transwoman is suffecient to describe them.
 
Redress said:
When Robert asks you to call them Bob, do you get all offended? Do you always blame others for your emotional issues? That is what I think about pronoun usage.
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The are jackass doctors that insist people use dr. in their name. I love calling those people Mr. or Herr Doctor Professor. Most amiable people are not too particular on what they are called so long as its friendly. I dont care what anybody calls me, except Surely. I dont do that one. :ROFLMAO:
 
Irredentist said:
You do not get to define what someone else should or should not find disrespectful. If you are trying to have a productive conversation with someone, you have to respect their cultural values, even if those values don't align with your own. This can apply to people from other countries, or other religions, just as much as it applies to transgender people.
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If I were to declare myself DebatePolitics's greatest ever poster, do I have a right to demand that you address me as such?
 
Irredentist said:
Do you go around telling every christian person you meet that God is fake and their beliefs are a lie?
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That's a great example. Are you being disrespectful if you fail to agree with Christians that God is real, Jesus is His son, and that Jesus died to save you?
 
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