My opinion: Harris didn't stand a chance of winning because she is a woman.

[Jack2aTee]

I think we've pretty conclusively proven that American will never elect a woman to the Presidency. We're too chauvinistic and too misogynistic to trust a woman with the most powerful position in the world. Compare Hillary and diminutive Harris to the 6'2" 300 lb. Donald Trump who takes up the space of two people. There's no way on God's green earth that Harris could have been threatening to dictators like Putin and Xi and the American people could sense that. Her policies could have been the best; she could have articulated a complete perfect agenda down to the comma to the American people about how she will make their lives better and still they would not have voted for her or Hillary because their idea of a President now is a strongman dictator type which Trump perfectly exemplifies--a man who promises to make all our lives worse.

White woman with no education, I read, were one of Trump's strongest supporter groups. Imagine this madness:

Tens of thousands of these uneducated women will get pregnant and will be rushed to the ER with a medical emergency brought on by their pregnancy only to be told that a nationwide abortion ban prevents the doctors from intervening to save their lives. And so these hapless women will bleed out in the parking lot and die waiting to get to the point of near death where the doctors will feel safe enough to render help.

And these stupid as a post women will have voted for the bastard who put them in that position.

Can anything better describe the craziness of this noose Latino and black men and uneducated women put around their necks because of their misogynistic feeling about a woman, a black woman at that, being President? So let the American people reap the "rewards" of their foolishness when Trump has burned the country to the ground so that he and Musk can rebuild it in the image of the billionaires Trump and Musk serve. That's exactly what Musk has promised to do. Won't be long before the American people are once again, like they did in 2018, voting out the Republican majority they put into Congress this election cycle and putting back in a Democrat one. And so the yoyo goes in America--up and down and up and down while the American people spin their wheels vacillating from one extreme to the other. Ain't living in America grand?

 

[Slavister]

I don't know. On other other thread someone is trying to convince me it's all because most Trump voters are racist.

I don't believe either of these broad-brush statements. Sure some people fall into racists / misogyny category. But I don't think we'll ever know what percentage of Trump voters (and those that obstained from voting) falls into this category. Was it 10% or was it 40% or 80%?

Hillary certainly came close to winning. If same number of women voted for Harris as did for Hillary, Harris might have own.

And what's up with Gen Z? Are they really racist / misogynists? I just don't see that.

 

[Peacenik]

We almost did it. There are just still too many chauvinist men who refused to vote for Harris. It's a shame but that's where we are.

Big money won. Musk got his way.

 

[eohrnberger]

I think we've pretty conclusively proven that American will never elect a woman to the Presidency. We're too chauvinistic and too misogynistic to trust a woman with the most powerful position in the world. Compare Hillary and diminutive Harris to the 6'2" 300 lb. Donald Trump who takes up the space of two people. There's no way on God's green earth that Harris could have been threatening to dictators like Putin and Xi and the American people could sense that. Her policies could have been the best; she could have articulated a complete perfect agenda down to the comma to the American people about how she will make their lives betterand still they would not have voted for her or Hillary because their idea of a President now is a strongman dictator type which Trump perfectly exemplifies--a man who promises to make all our lives worse.

White woman with no education, I read, were one of Trump's strongest supporter groups. Imagine this madness:

Tens of thousands of these uneducated women will get pregnant and will be rushed to the ER with a medical emergency brought on by their pregnancy only to be told that a nationwide abortion ban prevents the doctors from intervening to save their lives. And so these hapless women will bleed out in the parking lot and die waiting to get to the point of near death where the doctors will feel safe enough to render help.

And these stupid as a post women will have voted for the bastard who put them in that position.

Can anything better describe the craziness of this noose Latino and black men and uneducated women put around their necks because of their misogynistic feeling about a woman, a black woman at that, being President? So let the American people reap the "rewards" of their foolishness when Trump has burned the country to the ground so that he and Musk can rebuild it in the image of the billionaires Trump and Musk serve. That's exactly what Musk has promised to do. Won't be long before the American people are once again, like they did in 2018, voting out the Republican majority they put into Congress this election cycle and putting back in a Democrat one. And so the yoyo goes in America--up and down and up and down while the American people spin their wheels vacillating from one extreme to the other. Ain't living in America grand?

 

[DrewPaul]

I think we've pretty conclusively proven that American will never elect a woman to the Presidency. We're too chauvinistic and too misogynistic to trust a woman with the most powerful position in the world. Compare Hillary and diminutive Harris to the 6'2" 300 lb. people spin their wheels vacillating from one extreme to the other. Ain't living in America grand?

That's not the primary reason for her loss. But if you believe that, you should never nominate a woman to be president.

In no order you should consider the real reasons. It will help liberals win elections.

The Border
The economy
Crime
Woke culture

 

[hooligan]

I'm unconvinced that Harris' gender was a major issue to her not getting elected.

I've been wrong before, however.

 

[Jack2aTee]

I don't know. On other other thread someone is trying to convince me it's all because most Trump voters are racist.

I don't believe either of these broad-brush statements. Sure some people fall into racists / misogyny category. But I don't think we'll ever know what percentage of Trump voters (and those that obstained from voting) falls into this category. Was it 10% or was it 40% or 80%?

Hillary certainly came close to winning. If same number of women voted for Harris as did for Hillary, Harris might have own.

And what's up with Gen Z? Are they really racist / misogynists? I just don't see that.

A large swath of GenZ voted for Trump.

 

[Neue_Regel]

We almost did it. There are just still too many chauvinist men who refused to vote for Harris. It's a shame but that's where we are.

Big money won. Musk got his way.

From the OP: “White woman with no education, I read, were one of Trump's strongest supporter groups.”

Also, Harris outspent Trump 3-1.

I’m getting mixed signals here as to why Harris underperformed so badly.

 

[Slavister]

A large swath of GenZ voted for Trump.

Yes, that's why I brought them up. I don't think they did because of the reason you ascribe to them in the OP.

 

[Kblaster49]

I think we've pretty conclusively proven that American will never elect a woman to the Presidency. We're too chauvinistic and too misogynistic to trust a woman with the most powerful position in the world. Compare Hillary and diminutive Harris to the 6'2" 300 lb. Donald Trump who takes up the space of two people. There's no way on God's green earth that Harris could have been threatening to dictators like Putin and Xi and the American people could sense that. Her policies could have been the best; she could have articulated a complete perfect agenda down to the comma to the American people about how she will make their lives betterand still they would not have voted for her or Hillary because their idea of a President now is a strongman dictator type which Trump perfectly exemplifies--a man who promises to make all our lives worse.

White woman with no education, I read, were one of Trump's strongest supporter groups. Imagine this madness:

Tens of thousands of these uneducated women will get pregnant and will be rushed to the ER with a medical emergency brought on by their pregnancy only to be told that a nationwide abortion ban prevents the doctors from intervening to save their lives. And so these hapless women will bleed out in the parking lot and die waiting to get to the point of near death where the doctors will feel safe enough to render help.

And these stupid as a post women will have voted for the bastard who put them in that position.

Can anything better describe the craziness of this noose Latino and black men and uneducated women put around their necks because of their misogynistic feeling about a woman, a black woman at that, being President? So let the American people reap the "rewards" of their foolishness when Trump has burned the country to the ground so that he and Musk can rebuild it in the image of the billionaires Trump and Musk serve. That's exactly what Musk has promised to do. Won't be long before the American people are once again, like they did in 2018, voting out the Republican majority they put into Congress this election cycle and putting back in a Democrat one. And so the yoyo goes in America--up and down and up and down while the American people spin their wheels vacillating from one extreme to the other. Ain't living in America grand?

I wouldn't say never but I think we still have a long way to go. Exit polls confirm this. And it is especially striking when you compare it to the Biden Trump election, where male votes were almost equally divided between the two.

Infographic: The Trump-Harris Gender Gap

This chart shows the share of female/male U.S. voters who picked Donald Trump/Kamala Harris for president according to exit polls.

www.statista.com

 

[dmpi]

If you want to know the REAL opinion of blacks and Latino men all you have to do is ask them. But guess what? I bet you don't know a single one! So you listen to the drivel from the left-wing media where there interview a 'selected' representative of Blacks and Hispanics to speak for everyone.

 

[Helix]

Voters made a horrible mistake that we all have to live with.

 

[PoS]

I think we've pretty conclusively proven that American will never elect a woman to the Presidency. We're too chauvinistic and too misogynistic to trust a woman with the most powerful position in the world. Compare Hillary and diminutive Harris to the 6'2" 300 lb. Donald Trump who takes up the space of two people. There's no way on God's green earth that Harris could have been threatening to dictators like Putin and Xi and the American people could sense that. Her policies could have been the best; she could have articulated a complete perfect agenda down to the comma to the American people about how she will make their lives better and still they would not have voted for her or Hillary because their idea of a President now is a strongman dictator type which Trump perfectly exemplifies--a man who promises to make all our lives worse.

White woman with no education, I read, were one of Trump's strongest supporter groups. Imagine this madness:

Tens of thousands of these uneducated women will get pregnant and will be rushed to the ER with a medical emergency brought on by their pregnancy only to be told that a nationwide abortion ban prevents the doctors from intervening to save their lives. And so these hapless women will bleed out in the parking lot and die waiting to get to the point of near death where the doctors will feel safe enough to render help.

And these stupid as a post women will have voted for the bastard who put them in that position.

Can anything better describe the craziness of this noose Latino and black men and uneducated women put around their necks because of their misogynistic feeling about a woman, a black woman at that, being President? So let the American people reap the "rewards" of their foolishness when Trump has burned the country to the ground so that he and Musk can rebuild it in the image of the billionaires Trump and Musk serve. That's exactly what Musk has promised to do. Won't be long before the American people are once again, like they did in 2018, voting out the Republican majority they put into Congress this election cycle and putting back in a Democrat one. And so the yoyo goes in America--up and down and up and down while the American people spin their wheels vacillating from one extreme to the other. Ain't living in America grand?

LMAO! First you blame all men for not voting for Kamala, then you blame women for being dumb enough to vote for Trump. This is possibly the most unhinged post Ive read today. Congrats.

 

[Peacenik]

The right wing propaganda has infected Hispanics and blacks who want to be accepted among white American macho chauvinist men. You make more money in construction and other jobs if you are liked by white chauvinist men than if you speak up about minority issues or having concern for women's feelings.

 

[Jack2aTee]

That's not the primary reason for her loss. But if you believe that, you should never nominate a woman to be president.

In no order you should consider the real reasons. It will help liberals win elections.

The Border
The economy
Crime
Woke culture

The border: Trump promises to deport 12 million Latinos. He'll get as far with that one as he got in his first term promising that Mexico would pay for the wall he never built. That's a lolol right there.

The economy: Trump brought on inflation in 2020 with his secret deal he made with Putin and Saudi Arabia to cut oil production in order to help out his oil buddies who were hemorrhaging cash because of low prices. The pandemic only exacerbated inflation. Give Biden credit for bringing inflation back down to 2% and putting us in the best economy since Reagan. But stupid Americans who voted for Trump have the collective memory of a gnat. They don't remember how Trump botched the Covid response that got us into the inflation cycle by the time Biden was put into office to clean up the mess Trump made.

Crime: crime is way down according to government statistics

Woke: this is probably the one area where Democrats fail, but put against the other three? Sexism is still the major factor why a woman will never be elected President in America. Future women aspiring to the Presidency should look long and hard at the failures of Hillary and Harris before they devote endless hours and $$$$$'s to a position they can never attain.

 

[PoS]

The right wing propaganda has infected Hispanics and blacks who want to be accepted among white American macho chauvinist men. You make more money in construction and other jobs if you are liked by white chauvinist men than if you speak up about minority issues or having concern for women's feelings.

LMAO! So now youre blaming Latino and black men for being racist/sexist? More loopy logic from the libs.

 

[americanwoman]

The right wing propaganda has infected Hispanics and blacks who want to be accepted among white American macho chauvinist men. You make more money in construction and other jobs if you are liked by white chauvinist men than if you speak up about minority issues or having concern for women's feelings.

Wow.

Yeah, keep up that attitude and lose even more Hispanics. Why the heck do you think Hispanics put on an act at work to get like? Perhaps we are smarter than you think and just don't like to talk politics at work!

 

[Jack2aTee]

LMAO! First you blame all men for not voting for Kamala, then you blame women for being dumb enough to vote for Trump. This is possibly the most unhinged post Ive read today. Congrats.

MAGA morons are about the dumbest people on earth. No ability at all to discern an argument.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I think we've pretty conclusively proven that American will never elect a woman to the Presidency. We're too chauvinistic and too misogynistic to trust a woman with the most powerful position in the world. Compare Hillary and diminutive Harris to the 6'2" 300 lb. Donald Trump who takes up the space of two people. There's no way on God's green earth that Harris could have been threatening to dictators like Putin and Xi and the American people could sense that. Her policies could have been the best; she could have articulated a complete perfect agenda down to the comma to the American people about how she will make their lives better and still they would not have voted for her or Hillary because their idea of a President now is a strongman dictator type which Trump perfectly exemplifies--a man who promises to make all our lives worse.

White woman with no education, I read, were one of Trump's strongest supporter groups. Imagine this madness:

Tens of thousands of these uneducated women will get pregnant and will be rushed to the ER with a medical emergency brought on by their pregnancy only to be told that a nationwide abortion ban prevents the doctors from intervening to save their lives. And so these hapless women will bleed out in the parking lot and die waiting to get to the point of near death where the doctors will feel safe enough to render help.

And these stupid as a post women will have voted for the bastard who put them in that position.

Can anything better describe the craziness of this noose Latino and black men and uneducated women put around their necks because of their misogynistic feeling about a woman, a black woman at that, being President? So let the American people reap the "rewards" of their foolishness when Trump has burned the country to the ground so that he and Musk can rebuild it in the image of the billionaires Trump and Musk serve. That's exactly what Musk has promised to do. Won't be long before the American people are once again, like they did in 2018, voting out the Republican majority they put into Congress this election cycle and putting back in a Democrat one. And so the yoyo goes in America--up and down and up and down while the American people spin their wheels vacillating from one extreme to the other. Ain't living in America grand?

How does that explain the dismal failure of the Kamala Harris 2020 DNC POTUS primary campaign? After all, she only had to impress the DNC base of the value of her (far left) policy positions.

 

[Jack2aTee]

I wouldn't say never but I think we still have a long way to go. Exit polls confirm this. And it is especially striking when you compare it to the Biden Trump election, where male votes were almost equally divided between the two.

Infographic: The Trump-Harris Gender Gap

This chart shows the share of female/male U.S. voters who picked Donald Trump/Kamala Harris for president according to exit polls.

www.statista.com

Biden, an aging has-been beat Trump. Hillary, a woman, was beaten by Trump. Harris, a woman, was beaten by Trump. Only a man ever beat him. That speaks volumes about racism, sexism and misogyny in America.

 

[Trumpetman]

I think we've pretty conclusively proven that American will never elect a woman to the Presidency. We're too chauvinistic and too misogynistic to trust a woman with the most powerful position in the world. Compare Hillary and diminutive Harris to the 6'2" 300 lb. Donald Trump who takes up the space of two people. There's no way on God's green earth that Harris could have been threatening to dictators like Putin and Xi and the American people could sense that. Her policies could have been the best; she could have articulated a complete perfect agenda down to the comma to the American people about how she will make their lives better and still they would not have voted for her or Hillary because their idea of a President now is a strongman dictator type which Trump perfectly exemplifies--a man who promises to make all our lives worse.

White woman with no education, I read, were one of Trump's strongest supporter groups. Imagine this madness:

Tens of thousands of these uneducated women will get pregnant and will be rushed to the ER with a medical emergency brought on by their pregnancy only to be told that a nationwide abortion ban prevents the doctors from intervening to save their lives. And so these hapless women will bleed out in the parking lot and die waiting to get to the point of near death where the doctors will feel safe enough to render help.

And these stupid as a post women will have voted for the bastard who put them in that position.

Can anything better describe the craziness of this noose Latino and black men and uneducated women put around their necks because of their misogynistic feeling about a woman, a black woman at that, being President? So let the American people reap the "rewards" of their foolishness when Trump has burned the country to the ground so that he and Musk can rebuild it in the image of the billionaires Trump and Musk serve. That's exactly what Musk has promised to do. Won't be long before the American people are once again, like they did in 2018, voting out the Republican majority they put into Congress this election cycle and putting back in a Democrat one. And so the yoyo goes in America--up and down and up and down while the American people spin their wheels vacillating from one extreme to the other. Ain't living in America grand?

Have you considered holding a primary and selecting a candidate to run for President that didn't ride on the coattails of her husband, even standing by him when he embarrassed her nationally. You want us to believe that Hillary would stand up to dictators when she wouldn't even walk away from Bill who is a proven gigantic cheating piece of shit and literally the type of woman every Democrat claims to protect women from having to stay with or be reliant on?

Have you considered that maybe Harris just didn't project competence, hid from the press, didn't hold press conferences, and she also married a man accused of impregnating the nanny and slapping his ex-girlfriend?

How about you question why STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMEN candidates in the Democratic Party can't even stand up to their own husbands or leave them when they are proven to be gigantic shitbags?

Then you won't have to question why Americans don't think they won't stand up to warmongers around the world.

Also have you considered that maybe Democrats when trying to change the status quo should have a candidate that hasn't already been part of it for 30-40 years? I mean really is that so hard to find for them?

 

[Jack2aTee]

MAGA morons are the dumbest people on the face of the earth. Barely able to comprehend English and too dumb to ascertain an argument.

 

[Peacenik]

From the OP: “White woman with no education, I read, were one of Trump's strongest supporter groups.”

Also, Harris outspent Trump 3-1.

I’m getting mixed signals here as to why Harris underperformed so badly.

It's not about how much the Harris campaign spent.

It's about the decades long grip of big money to shape public opinion.

The Powell Memo did this.

 

[Neue_Regel]

The right wing propaganda has infected Hispanics and blacks who want to be accepted among white American macho chauvinist men. You make more money in construction and other jobs if you are liked by white chauvinist men than if you speak up about minority issues or having concern for women's feelings.

Yeah, there's nothing a man wants to hear more than about a woman's feelings while nailing a roof in 100 degree heat.

 

[j brown's body]

My next door neighbor told me not to discount the hatred some women have for other women.