My Office: Masks or Vaccine or Disciplinary action

[AmNat]

I was thinking more along the lines of grade schools where vaccinations for students and staff are required.

I taught in a high school once. Never had to provide vaccination records.

 

[Allan]

I taught in a high school once. Never had to provide vaccination records.

Most schools require it.

 

[AmNat]

They absolutely do. In a health care setting for example employers are required to provide PPE to protect staff from infectious disease. Same with a clinical or research lab.

Then those employers should continue to do that.

 

[Allan]

The risk of spreading covid is significantly if you unmask only while eating as opposed to being unmasked for the entire workday. Allow people to not mask while eating is simply a reflection of the fact that people gotta eat.

Even the risk of transmission while eating can be mitigated. A lot of companies are either asking people to eat at their work station or socially distancing seating in the cafeteria.

 

[AmNat]

Most schools require it.

A little bit of Googling tells me that most schools in America do not require their employees to be vaccinated.

 

[Fledermaus]

That's the reason for "voluntary."

So you dispute that virus can enter thru the eyes and that Fauci and the other experts are wrong about face shields?

Does your company also have an influenza (flu) vaccine badge or wear a mask rule?

Comprende minimize?

 

[Port & Starboard]

Work for yourself and make your own rules if you don't like what companies are doing.

 

[Fledermaus]

What is the method used to prove vaccination?

Documentation.

 

[CLAX1911]

You're trying to make a point based upon absolutist terms, when what's being done is minimizing risk.

if you're minimizing the risk only part-time you're not really. You're just pretending.

Not 'ensuring risk free', but rather 'minimizing risk'. Letting unvaccinated employees eat without a mask doesn't sound unreasonable. Though I surely wouldn't want to eat with them knowingly!

again if you're only minimalizing the risk part of the time you're not really minimizing the risk.

Permitting vaccinated employees not to wear the mask while singling out on vaccinated employees is further not minimizing the risk. Because people who have been vaccinated and can still catch and spread the virus.

That's just playing politics. Privileging people who perform how you wish them to. That has nothing to do with risk unless you're calling Dr falchi and the CDC liars.

 

[VySky]

Documentation.

Specifically?

 

[Steve N]

For what it’s worth, a fellow employee is refusing to get vaccinated and asked me to Photoshop my name off my vaccine card and send it to him. I did

 

[JMB802]

Our company is struggling with this as well. Right now we are just strongly encouraging that everyone gets vaccinated. The big issue is health insurance. If multiple unvaccinated employees get hospitalized due to covid, everyone's health insurance rates go through the roof. It's a risk mitigation issue.

 

[CLAX1911]

The risk of spreading covid is significantly if you unmask only while eating as opposed to being unmasked for the entire workday.

so the virus needs to be spread over a time period versus sharing airspace with an infected person? Everything we know about epidemiology is false? There's the reason why people say this mask crap is a political thing because it absolutely is nothing you said is based on any credible science.

Allow people to not mask while eating is simply a reflection of the fact that people gotta eat.

They don't have to eat inside enclosed spaces with other people. We can sit in their car and eat they can eat outside I've done all of that before.

If you don't do that but you are requiring masks every other point of the day then masks are not about reducing risk they are about politics.

Unless of course you can prove that the virus doesn't spread while you're eating.

 

[Allan]

A little bit of Googling tells me that most schools in America do not require their employees to be vaccinated.

Then can we accept that some do and that requirement is legally enforceable? Because from what I've seen that seems to be the case.

 

[Allan]

Specifically?

Vaccination record.

 

[VySky]

Vaccination record.

So they accept unofficial documentation?

 

[Lursa]

Vaccination record.

And because most teachers were vaccinated for the same things when they were kids

 

[Fledermaus]

Specifically?

Proof of vaccination.

Is this really hard for you to understand?

 

[Lursa]

So they accept unofficial documentation?

Private business can decide what documentation it wants to accept.

 

[Allan]

So they accept unofficial documentation?

They'd accept a vaccination record from the org that administered the vaccination. CVS, your doctor etc.

 

[Fledermaus]

So they accept unofficial documentation?

What is an "official document" for this?

 

[Gaius46]

Jury is still out on immunity from exposure. People who've had Covid have antibodies but no study has been published yet showing it's protective. What they do know is that antibodies from exposure are lost after several months.

My understanding is that is normal. Antibodies generally ho away after a few months and a sort of immune memory via T and B cells takes over. The immune system is extremely complex and saying immunity is gone simply because there are no antibodies is wrong.

As well contracting coronavirus still gives some immunity. It likely varies though based on the strength of your immune response which is tied in least in part to how badly you were infected.

For further reading: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00436-4

 

[uptower]

Voluntary slavery, allowing your employer to make your life-death decisions.

Life in this case.

But all employment is 'voluntary slavery,' unless someone is self employed. And even then depending on the work/field they may not genuinely set the terms. Unless you're a landowner living off rent, an entertainer living off royalties, an heir with a trust fund or a stockholder living off dividends and you don't have to work at all, you're subject to some other bastard's conditions at some point.

The best most of us working stiffs can do is choose a form of 'bonded labor' most suited to our character and needs to make it less painful.

But as with Tacomancer's company the smart ones know a healthy workforce is more productive.

 

[Gaius46]

so the virus needs to be spread over a time period versus sharing airspace with an infected person? Everything we know about epidemiology is false? There's the reason why people say this mask crap is a political thing because it absolutely is nothing you said is based on any credible science.
They don't have to eat inside enclosed spaces with other people. We can sit in their car and eat they can eat outside I've done all of that before.

If you don't do that but you are requiring masks every other point of the day then masks are not about reducing risk they are about politics.

Unless of course you can prove that the virus doesn't spread while you're eating.

Actually the amount of time you’re exposed does matter. Below some threshold number of particles you don’t get infected. So time is a factor.

But that’s not what i meant. It should be prertty obvious that someone not wearing a mask for the 10 minutes it takes to eat a sandwich represents a smaller risk than someone not wearing one for 8 hours.

 

[AmNat]

Then can we accept that some do and that requirement is legally enforceable? Because from what I've seen that seems to be the case.

Yes, it's legal for employers to require vaccination, unless they're in a state where vaccination status is a protected class (e.g. Montana). That doesn't mean they should.