My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into hell

[Renae]

Seriously.

She believes that all NDE stories are really Satan's work, convincing people to disregard the rigorous adherence to Biblical Stricture that her church, which coincidently if you don't follow Jesus exactly as they do you're condemned to hell anyway... demands. I thought she was just a lonely voice, but apparently not.

Of course as a Christian I have to grapple with asking exactly what a NDE [Near Death Experience] is. It seems irrefutable that many people, when gravely injured and often when clinically dead, do experience something. The accounts are too common and too consistent to ignore entirely. So we see that such experiences do appear to exist and that they seem to lead directly away from what the Bible teaches us. What recourse do we have, then, but to state with some confidence that these experiences are somehow a trick of Satan? And would it not be just like the Enemy to use such an experience to convince people of their own divinity–to lead people as far from what is true as is possible? I am persuaded that NDEs do exist but that they exist to deceive, to provide false comfort, to provide false hope, to enslave, to trap, to destroy.I think Amazon already knows this. Evidence of the Afterlife is filed under Books > Religion & Spirituality > Occult. Well done.
Verdict: Read it if you want to see how Satan continues to ensnare and enslave.

Near Death Experiences: A Trick of Satan?

Now, if you don't' believe in religion, Jesus, Satan, an afterlife or all that, this conversation isn't for you, and I do not care if your belief is oblivion awaits us. That's great, it's also irrelevant to this discussion and I am asking you please, do not troll with that **** okay?

This discussion is for the religious among us, is there validity to this view, that NDE's which are a majority "Here is wonderful love, do not fear death" experiences (yes I know there are negative NDE's too, even ones where people find Jesus who saves them at the gates of hell) that the experiencers tend to walk away from having a profoundly changed view of God, life, death and the place of religion.

The common features of post NDE experiences are:

No fear of death
Loving everyone equally
selflessness
A strong belief in a higher power
Lack of regard towards organized religious tenants

It's this last part I believe, that causes the greatest angst with the religious zealots, you have an NDE, and you no longer believe in the rules. The rules bind people, control people, they are why I, a devoutly faithful believer in Jesus am not a practicing catholic anymore. I believe that while the Bible is a useful teaching manual for life, it's not the rigorous set of laws each different faction of Christianity would have us believe in their own way. Lead a morally proper, loving life where you care about others while accepting Jesus is IMHO far more a good life than someone that adheres to some churches strictures and attends church.

 

[rocket88]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

Seriously.

She believes that all NDE stories are really Satan's work, convincing people to disregard the rigorous adherence to Biblical Stricture that her church, which coincidently if you don't follow Jesus exactly as they do you're condemned to hell anyway... demands. I thought she was just a lonely voice, but apparently not.

Near Death Experiences: A Trick of Satan?

Now, if you don't' believe in religion, Jesus, Satan, an afterlife or all that, this conversation isn't for you, and I do not care if your belief is oblivion awaits us. That's great, it's also irrelevant to this discussion and I am asking you please, do not troll with that **** okay?

This discussion is for the religious among us, is there validity to this view, that NDE's which are a majority "Here is wonderful love, do not fear death" experiences (yes I know there are negative NDE's too, even ones where people find Jesus who saves them at the gates of hell) that the experiencers tend to walk away from having a profoundly changed view of God, life, death and the place of religion.

The common features of post NDE experiences are:

No fear of death
Loving everyone equally
selflessness
A strong belief in a higher power
Lack of regard towards organized religious tenants

It's this last part I believe, that causes the greatest angst with the religious zealots, you have an NDE, and you no longer believe in the rules. The rules bind people, control people, they are why I, a devoutly faithful believer in Jesus am not a practicing catholic anymore. I believe that while the Bible is a useful teaching manual for life, it's not the rigorous set of laws each different faction of Christianity would have us believe in their own way. Lead a morally proper, loving life where you care about others while accepting Jesus is IMHO far more a good life than someone that adheres to some churches strictures and attends church.

What I usually say is that I believe in God, but I don't believe in churches. Churches are all too human.

One night I woke up and I swear I saw my soul. I went to sit up in bed, only when I sat up, my body didn't and I saw light around my arm (which remained motionless). Since then I've known that whatever I believed before, I was certain of the existence of my spirit.

Not exactly a NDE, but it fundamentally changed my life.

 

[Renae]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

What I usually say is that I believe in God, but I don't believe in churches. Churches are all too human.

One night I woke up and I swear I saw my soul. I went to sit up in bed, only when I sat up, my body didn't and I saw light around my arm (which remained motionless). Since then I've known that whatever I believed before, I was certain of the existence of my spirit.

Not exactly a NDE, but it fundamentally changed my life.

Astral Projection.

 

[Northern Light]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

So... NDEs are there to deceive people, yet we should trust that these Christians know the true interpretation of them?

Sounds like the same old sales pitch.

 

[countryboy]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

Seriously.

She believes that all NDE stories are really Satan's work, convincing people to disregard the rigorous adherence to Biblical Stricture that her church, which coincidently if you don't follow Jesus exactly as they do you're condemned to hell anyway... demands. I thought she was just a lonely voice, but apparently not.

Near Death Experiences: A Trick of Satan?

Now, if you don't' believe in religion, Jesus, Satan, an afterlife or all that, this conversation isn't for you, and I do not care if your belief is oblivion awaits us. That's great, it's also irrelevant to this discussion and I am asking you please, do not troll with that **** okay?

This discussion is for the religious among us, is there validity to this view, that NDE's which are a majority "Here is wonderful love, do not fear death" experiences (yes I know there are negative NDE's too, even ones where people find Jesus who saves them at the gates of hell) that the experiencers tend to walk away from having a profoundly changed view of God, life, death and the place of religion.

The common features of post NDE experiences are:

No fear of death
Loving everyone equally
selflessness
A strong belief in a higher power
Lack of regard towards organized religious tenants

It's this last part I believe, that causes the greatest angst with the religious zealots, you have an NDE, and you no longer believe in the rules. The rules bind people, control people, they are why I, a devoutly faithful believer in Jesus am not a practicing catholic anymore. I believe that while the Bible is a useful teaching manual for life, it's not the rigorous set of laws each different faction of Christianity would have us believe in their own way. Lead a morally proper, loving life where you care about others while accepting Jesus is IMHO far more a good life than someone that adheres to some churches strictures and attends church.

I guess if we're looking at this from the Biblical worldview, is there anything in Scripture to support your aunt's contention that NDEs are satanic trickery?

 

[Renae]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

I guess if we're looking at this from the Biblical worldview, is there anything in Scripture to support your aunt's contention that NDEs are satanic trickery?

The passages about Satan seeking to deceive the believers. I think those are televangelist myself, doing Satans work.

 

[countryboy]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

The passages about Satan seeking to deceive the believers. I think those are televangelist myself, doing Satans work.

Kind of a stretch without some direct mention of NDEs in the Bible. I don't think there's even scriptural evidence for NDEs, let alone them being satanic trickery.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

Would it be out of place in this thread to question if there is any supernatural element to NDEs? While I personally am an atheist there are plenty of religious people who believe NDEs are just a neurological phenomenon. Back when I was a Christian I had an interesting debate about it with my grandfather who was an ordained minister AND a medical doctor. He was a man who believed in the after life but also believed NDEs were just the brain's reaction to oxygen deprivation and trauma.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

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[SheWolf]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

Seriously.

She believes that all NDE stories are really Satan's work, convincing people to disregard the rigorous adherence to Biblical Stricture that her church, which coincidently if you don't follow Jesus exactly as they do you're condemned to hell anyway... demands. I thought she was just a lonely voice, but apparently not.

Near Death Experiences: A Trick of Satan?

Now, if you don't' believe in religion, Jesus, Satan, an afterlife or all that, this conversation isn't for you, and I do not care if your belief is oblivion awaits us. That's great, it's also irrelevant to this discussion and I am asking you please, do not troll with that **** okay?

This discussion is for the religious among us, is there validity to this view, that NDE's which are a majority "Here is wonderful love, do not fear death" experiences (yes I know there are negative NDE's too, even ones where people find Jesus who saves them at the gates of hell) that the experiencers tend to walk away from having a profoundly changed view of God, life, death and the place of religion.

The common features of post NDE experiences are:

No fear of death
Loving everyone equally
selflessness
A strong belief in a higher power
Lack of regard towards organized religious tenants

It's this last part I believe, that causes the greatest angst with the religious zealots, you have an NDE, and you no longer believe in the rules. The rules bind people, control people, they are why I, a devoutly faithful believer in Jesus am not a practicing catholic anymore. I believe that while the Bible is a useful teaching manual for life, it's not the rigorous set of laws each different faction of Christianity would have us believe in their own way. Lead a morally proper, loving life where you care about others while accepting Jesus is IMHO far more a good life than someone that adheres to some churches strictures and attends church.

What exactly is her problem with NDEs? How is it threatening her beliefs? Does she expect everybody to come back saying God talked to them and said only the Catholics are right?

 

[Fishking]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

Seriously.

She believes that all NDE stories are really Satan's work, convincing people to disregard the rigorous adherence to Biblical Stricture that her church, which coincidently if you don't follow Jesus exactly as they do you're condemned to hell anyway... demands. I thought she was just a lonely voice, but apparently not.

I have some thoughts on this but I'm dog tired and don't want to think. Just commenting to come back but kick me if I forget because I can see where she's coming from and have somewhat similar thoughts and think I can help explain it.

 

[spud_meister]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

Satanic angles are really acute though.

 

[Renae]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

What exactly is her problem with NDEs? How is it threatening her beliefs? Does she expect everybody to come back saying God talked to them and said only the Catholics are right?

She believes that NDE's show people a lie, and they come back to us full of non-biblically approved views of the purpose of Life and what God is.

 

[Renae]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

I have some thoughts on this but I'm dog tired and don't want to think. Just commenting to come back but kick me if I forget because I can see where she's coming from and have somewhat similar thoughts and think I can help explain it.

Please do so.

 

[Fishking]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

Please do so.

OK...So I'll have to build the base for the premise. We're looking at this from a fairly traditional Christian POV. So we don't have other religions and other supernatural beliefs not being held as valid. In other words, things that happen that would fall into the category of supernatural would have basically only two sources where it would come from, God and His angels or, Lucifer and his angels. So you have God that has provided His message to Christians on how to attain salvation found in the Bible (belief in Him and Jesus, the sacrifice, and then accepting it). Anything that falls outside of that would be considered a distraction and attributed to Lucifer or maybe just humans' own rebellion.

This means that other religions, spirits, ghosts, ect would all fall into that category. So...to bring this back around say you have a non-Christian have this NDE and they're all like, "And then there was this light and a feeling of comfort and it was amazing." yada, yada, yada...whatever type of thing happens. This would give the impression of a path to Heaven that's outside of Christian doctrine. So it would fall into the distraction category.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[Bob N]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

Seriously.

She believes that all NDE stories are really Satan's work, convincing people to disregard the rigorous adherence to Biblical Stricture that her church, which coincidently if you don't follow Jesus exactly as they do you're condemned to hell anyway... demands. I thought she was just a lonely voice, but apparently not.

Near Death Experiences: A Trick of Satan?

Now, if you don't' believe in religion, Jesus, Satan, an afterlife or all that, this conversation isn't for you, and I do not care if your belief is oblivion awaits us. That's great, it's also irrelevant to this discussion and I am asking you please, do not troll with that **** okay?

This discussion is for the religious among us, is there validity to this view, that NDE's which are a majority "Here is wonderful love, do not fear death" experiences (yes I know there are negative NDE's too, even ones where people find Jesus who saves them at the gates of hell) that the experiencers tend to walk away from having a profoundly changed view of God, life, death and the place of religion.

The common features of post NDE experiences are:

No fear of death
Loving everyone equally
selflessness
A strong belief in a higher power
Lack of regard towards organized religious tenants

It's this last part I believe, that causes the greatest angst with the religious zealots, you have an NDE, and you no longer believe in the rules. The rules bind people, control people, they are why I, a devoutly faithful believer in Jesus am not a practicing catholic anymore. I believe that while the Bible is a useful teaching manual for life, it's not the rigorous set of laws each different faction of Christianity would have us believe in their own way. Lead a morally proper, loving life where you care about others while accepting Jesus is IMHO far more a good life than someone that adheres to some churches strictures and attends church.

Churches feeling that they are losing control over people. When will this end? :roll: Ask your aunt about the experience some folks get when they glimpse hell. Why would Satan show them that? Sort of defeats the whole purpose, right?

 

[SMTA]

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Satanic angles are really acute though.

Trying a different tangent? What's your angle here?

 

[SheWolf]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

She believes that NDE's show people a lie, and they come back to us full of non-biblically approved views of the purpose of Life and what God is.

I am really confused. What is a biblically approved NDE according to her? Does she think people should be at pearly gates and see St Peter? I am really confused about this... what specifically are people not describing that makes her think it's a trick of the devil?

 

[spud_meister]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

Trying a different tangent? What's your angle here?

I just don't get the point of the thread. I may be a bit obtuse, I'm a few degrees of understanding behind everyone else.

 

[Renae]

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I am really confused. What is a biblically approved NDE according to her? Does she think people should be at pearly gates and see St Peter? I am really confused about this... what specifically are people not describing that makes her think it's a trick of the devil?

There aren't any, they are lies of the Devil. I'm fascinated by NDE's and thus this is a personal topic of interest for me.

 

[SMTA]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

I just don't get the point of the thread. I may be a bit obtuse, I'm a few degrees of understanding behind everyone else.

That is because you are on a very slippery slope not unlike the Matrix.

Usually a nice slice of pie will fix that.

 

[Sherman123]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

Seriously.

She believes that all NDE stories are really Satan's work, convincing people to disregard the rigorous adherence to Biblical Stricture that her church, which coincidently if you don't follow Jesus exactly as they do you're condemned to hell anyway... demands. I thought she was just a lonely voice, but apparently not.

Near Death Experiences: A Trick of Satan?

Now, if you don't' believe in religion, Jesus, Satan, an afterlife or all that, this conversation isn't for you, and I do not care if your belief is oblivion awaits us. That's great, it's also irrelevant to this discussion and I am asking you please, do not troll with that **** okay?

This discussion is for the religious among us, is there validity to this view, that NDE's which are a majority "Here is wonderful love, do not fear death" experiences (yes I know there are negative NDE's too, even ones where people find Jesus who saves them at the gates of hell) that the experiencers tend to walk away from having a profoundly changed view of God, life, death and the place of religion.

The common features of post NDE experiences are:

No fear of death
Loving everyone equally
selflessness
A strong belief in a higher power
Lack of regard towards organized religious tenants

It's this last part I believe, that causes the greatest angst with the religious zealots, you have an NDE, and you no longer believe in the rules. The rules bind people, control people, they are why I, a devoutly faithful believer in Jesus am not a practicing catholic anymore. I believe that while the Bible is a useful teaching manual for life, it's not the rigorous set of laws each different faction of Christianity would have us believe in their own way. Lead a morally proper, loving life where you care about others while accepting Jesus is IMHO far more a good life than someone that adheres to some churches strictures and attends church.

I'm an observant Jew and I think there is zero credibility to these NDE stories.

 

[Renae]

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I'm an observant Jew and I think there is zero credibility to these NDE stories.

May I ask how much have you looked into them? I don't mean the people selling books about meeting their dogs or that they have been given knowledge of the future...

I mean the doctors that work with terminally ill patients, the stories from kids who have been revived...

 

[Sherman123]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

May I ask how much have you looked into them? I don't mean the people selling books about meeting their dogs or that they have been given knowledge of the future...

I mean the doctors that work with terminally ill patients, the stories from kids who have been revived...

A fair amount actually. Scientific American and Nature both ran great articles on them. There is no reason whatsoever to believe in them in my opinion.

 

[Renae]

Re: My Born Again Aunt thinks NDE's are really Satanic Angles tricking people into he

A fair amount actually. Scientific American and Nature both ran great articles on them. There is no reason whatsoever to believe in them in my opinion.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/peace-of-mind-near-death/
Their conclusion is it's a brain misfire. One that seems to be quite regular in produces similar results across time (NDE's are recorded for hundreds of years though obviously more so now) religious belief or lack there of, culture...

And Nature:
Could a final surge in brain activity after death explain near-death experiences? | Brain Metrics | Learn Science at Scitable
Same basic explanation. It's a natural evolutionary trick of the brain to ease one into death.

If you go to source that conclude NDE's are nothing, you tend to walk away with that view. One I shared for many years, however, I would like to offer you this, it's one of many doctors views, doctors who were very much of your view, but experience taught them to see it in a new light:
Skip to 7:30 or so for an example I speak of specifically: