but we kinda HAVE to blame you since you were the one that insisted on making this a wing thing.
I would think conservatives would just sit back and watch the show, while many kneejerk liberals will have a real difficult time figuring out which side to trip over themselves to defend them...geeez...what is a kneejerk liberal left winger to do...support the...how did you (I mean that 'other' idiot that posted under your name) put it...oh yeah...mooooslems...or support communists...what to do...what to do...
It is better to listen to what the Islamic leaders themselves are saying rather than making false claims about them being "moderate" or "progressive".
Canada has a similar law. Unfortunate.
There are a billion Muslims in the world. Some are decent, progressive, modern, non-violent, tolerant and welcoming. Some are vicious, violent, hard-line and intolerant.
Why is that so hard a concept?
And who claimed this was a "hard concept"? Are you certain your response should be directed to me?
Lots of lefties love 'moooslims'. Lots of lefties love communists. GOD this is a fun game...I didn't make it a wing thing. It already was. I just observed it.
Lots of righties hate Muslims. Lots of righties hate communists. Two observations.
See, now you're getting into it!
As for me, I basically support religious freedom and hate commies (or any authoritarians), so that's easy. Sure is easier for me than rightwingers, or some lefties I guess.
How about you?
I think its pretty foolish to make statements like ______ wingers are sure going to have a hard time deciding who to hate more. You apparently thought that was a good idea.
It wasn't necessarily directed at you, just in general. You decide whether it needed to be.
"conservatives", liberals" -- the the vast majority of those who describe themselves as one or the other fail miserably when it comes to addressing Islam. With so many supposed "liberals" offering little but knee jerk defense of this ultra conservative religion and so many conservatives assailing it for its lack of liberalism, one would almost think the terms are morphing into the opposite of their actual meanings.
If it wasn't directed at m then don't use my name. If it was directed at me then use the boxed quote.
But doesn't being "Conservative"', at least in the democracies', mean the traditional respect for the law and the attached human rights codes? Why shouldn't Islam be assailed by Conservatives for its lack of Liberalism? '
There is a vast middle ground and that seems to be where the Conservative point of view lies.
Believe me, Grant -- since "conservatives" are about the only ones in our liberal, western societies who do take Islam to task for it's illiberal attitudes, I would much rather hang with them during such discussions.
It's one paradox few people understand since the only way to uphold liberalism in liberal societies is to conserve it.
Believe me, Grant -- since "conservatives" are about the only ones in our liberal, western societies who do take Islam to task for it's illiberal attitudes, I would much rather hang with them during such discussions.
It's one paradox few people understand since the only way to uphold liberalism in liberal societies is to conserve it.
Sure, and that's great.
We just have to remember that it's counterproductive to that goal to attack all Muslims for the crimes of some. Some critics do that way too often. Muslims are often the victims of these illiberal acts too, and plenty more oppose them.
It was directed at your comment, in view of all.
But it had nothing to do with my comment.
It is better to listen to what the Islamic leaders themselves are saying rather than making false claims about them being "moderate" or "progressive".
You mean that not all Muslims are terrorists?
So your point is that some Muslims are terrorists, some would want to spread their religion a bit too aggressively, would censor media, honour kill, treat women like second class citizens, cheer at the public hanging of Gays, call for the murder of Christians and Jews, and so on?
It's probably safe to assume that those are the Muslims people would be referring to.
The 'liberals'' have come to stand for nothing but fear and appeasement.
I know abt that. This is sensitive topic and emotions run high.
That was my experience in America, but not in other countries.
Respect your opinion. Try living in a country where you are one of the 10% minority and the other 90% are muslims.
Sure they are. Singapore was essentially KICKED out of the Malaysian Federation because it was too Chinese according to the Malaysian Tunku...
My experience in China, Taiwan, and Indonesia have always been rather positive. I have been invited into mosques (but with the exception of the one in China, never entered one) and had really good conversations -- including along comparative religion lines between Islam and Catholicism -- with many Islamic teachers...
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