earthworm
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Just read what the Rat has to say and ignore the rest.This must be by far the most intellectual debate that I've come across. Please carry on, it's a fascinating .
Just tell me though, how much difference is there between a Muslim fundamentalist mentality and some of the gems of wisdom that have been spread on this thread ?
How's that generosity in respecting Muslim beliefs working out for you over in France?
Is France on the way to becoming an Islamic state? - Telegraph
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What do you think? The whole idea offends my concept of free speech. Should blasphemy be grouped as hate speech?
Hate speech laws should be illegal and offends US constitutional concept of free speech. ANy one who claims to be for free speech should be against any hate speech laws.
Here's a cartoon that I feel is appropriate for this thread:
Except the gun should say 'conservatives', since the particular suggestion in question is coming from Islamic countries, most of which are among the most conservative in the world.
they're the ones pushing for laws to appease them by restricting our freedom to speak and write words that are offensive to them.
Yes, but it is Western liberals and their perverse belief in "multiculturalism" that allow our laws and traditions to be subverted, in our own lands, in favor of Islamic tradition and law. They're the ones favoring looser standards for immigration, they're the ones saying that people who come here from other countries should continue living as they did at home, they're the ones pushing for laws to appease them by restricting our freedom to speak and write words that are offensive to them.
If there's anything wrong with the cartoon, it's that "liberalism" and "Islam" have their places reversed. Islam is the gun that the United States-- really, all of the West-- will kill itself with, while liberalism is the force that cocks the hammer and makes it easier for Uncle Sam to pull the trigger.
The funny thing is, the people who are worried about fundamental Muslims taking over are going to be the ones who benefit from it all of this. America and Europe will never be taken over by fundamentalist Muslims, but when it reaches critical mass it's going to be tomorrow's authoritarian right wing that sweeps into power-- and the level of religiosity is going to be the main thing that determines whether or not people like me are going to be swept up with it.
Except the gun should say 'conservatives', since the particular suggestion in question is coming from Islamic countries, most of which are among the most conservative in the world.
You are mischaracterizing the term "liberal" here.
You are mischaracterizing the term "liberal" here. Liberalism has to do with individual rights, whereas multiculturalism sublimates the individual to the group, and assigns the rights to the group, instead.
While many deluded people who embrace multiculturalism may CALL themselves liberal, the politics they are espousing have little to do with actual liberalism, and more to do with a brand of leftist group think more akin to a cult or religion in its rigid and extremely hypocritical orthodoxy.
Except the gun should say 'conservatives', since the particular suggestion in question is coming from Islamic countries, most of which are among the most conservative in the world.
And the ability to move into this country and have government services provided in your language aren't individual rights? The idea that other peoples' lifestyles, no matter how repulsive to us, must be tolerated isn't individual rights?
The Right wants more economic and religious freedom, and the Left wants more civil liberties and freedom from cultural standards, but they are all basically liberal with the exception of a handful of hardcases at the top.
People have really lost sight of what the terms liberal and conservative actually mean, haven't they?
This is so true.
What do you think? The whole idea offends my concept of free speech. Should blasphemy be grouped as hate speech?
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