AP said:Hawkish Democrat Calls for Iraq Pullout
By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer 25 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - An influential House Democrat who voted for the Iraq war called Thursday for the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, another sign of growing unease in Congress about the conflict.
Murtha, a Marine intelligence officer in Vietnam, angrily shot back at Cheney: "I like guys who've never been there that criticize us who've been there. I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war, and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done."
danarhea said:This charge by Scott McClellan is in itself hilarious. Murtha may be a Democrat, but is the biggest hawk in the party, and has supported Bush completely since the war started. Today, Murtha did a 180 and told Americans that we must leave Iraq within 6 months. Until today, he was one of the Bush administration's best friends. Today, according to the White House, he is associated with Michael Moore. Anybody buying this load of garbage?
BTW - Murtha is a retired US Marine Colonel with a Bronze Star and 2 Purple Hearts. How many of his detractors have have this kind of resume? What this shows is that our leaders are intent on carrying out this war to the last drop of other peoples' blood.
Article is here.
danarhea said:This charge by Scott McClellan is in itself hilarious. Murtha may be a Democrat, but is the biggest hawk in the party, and has supported Bush completely since the war started. Today, Murtha did a 180 and told Americans that we must leave Iraq within 6 months. Until today, he was one of the Bush administration's best friends. Today, according to the White House, he is associated with Michael Moore. Anybody buying this load of garbage?
BTW - Murtha is a retired US Marine Colonel with a Bronze Star and 2 Purple Hearts. How many of his detractors have have this kind of resume? What this shows is that our leaders are intent on carrying out this war to the last drop of other peoples' blood.
Article is here.
Archon said:It is amazing, the intellectual and moral capacity of our marines... if only they are given the true support that they need. They were and are good people of a very high caliber. At times the indoctrination gets the better of them. That's all I will say.
danarhea said:The indocrination and training are very important, and I cannot question that. Orders must be followed to the letter, or discipline breaks down. After all, how can we have a standing military if the men are quesitoning what they are ordered to do? Their job is to fight, and nothing must restrict their ability to do their job. They are the solid brick wall which lies between the American way of life and ownage by another nation. In the end, all a marine, or any other member of the Armed Services, can hope for is that the top of the chain of command (the Commander-in Chief) makes moral choices, based on truth and reality, which will justify their going out to possibly bleed and die in defense of America. However, they must do their job and follow orders under any and all circumstances, and their training and indoctrination provide them with that ability.
Archon said:Indeed.
This is exactly why, when such indoctrination is based on such a false pretenese, such a chickenhawk derelict as Bush (as I percieve him)... it is our troops that are NOT BEING SUPPORTED. That's just my take on the issue though.
danarhea said:Hmmmm. Interesting. We were debating against each other, but it looks like we agree 100%. Thats what I get for trying to talk over someone. Sorry about that. LOL.
danarhea said:Oops, meant to post this in the OTHER thread we were discussing in. Getting senile in my old age. LOL.
Archon said::lol: Don't go and tell me now that you like Bush unconditionally! I mean, I like a good bush.... but there are several variations and our CiC is not one that I particularly care for (or fore). :rofl
Perhaps he just changed his mind. Maybe he bought the theory and the rationale but then grew discouraged at the slipshod implementation.cnredd said:If you look closely ... or district funding...
danarhea said:This charge by Scott McClellan is in itself hilarious. Murtha may be a Democrat, but is the biggest hawk in the party, and has supported Bush completely since the war started. Today, Murtha did a 180 and told Americans that we must leave Iraq within 6 months. Until today, he was one of the Bush administration's best friends. Today, according to the White House, he is associated with Michael Moore. Anybody buying this load of garbage?
BTW - Murtha is a retired US Marine Colonel with a Bronze Star and 2 Purple Hearts. How many of his detractors have have this kind of resume? What this shows is that our leaders are intent on carrying out this war to the last drop of other peoples' blood.
Article is here.
Paladin said:Murtha AP
I especially like the part I highlighted. I don't think much of Cheney because he "had better things to do" rather than serve in Vietnam.
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Stu Ghatze said:SO WHAT IF Murtha was a former hawkish marine colonel?? How about the rest of our FORMER citizens that were once generals, colonels, majors, captains, & lietenants, ..right down to the enlisted common soldier who think the democrats WRONG on the issue of pulling out of Iraq?
Once again, ...the liberals in the media presenting things to "appear" as though their belief system commands the majority consensus!
As usual, ..media deciet & misrepresenting of facts, & "THEIR" own liberal belief system by editorializing their bullcrap & calling it news!
danarhea said:This charge by Scott McClellan is in itself hilarious. Murtha may be a Democrat, but is the biggest hawk in the party, and has supported Bush completely since the war started. Today, Murtha did a 180 and told Americans that we must leave Iraq within 6 months. Until today, he was one of the Bush administration's best friends. Today, according to the White House, he is associated with Michael Moore. Anybody buying this load of garbage?
BTW - Murtha is a retired US Marine Colonel with a Bronze Star and 2 Purple Hearts. How many of his detractors have have this kind of resume? What this shows is that our leaders are intent on carrying out this war to the last drop of other peoples' blood.
Article is here.
This is what Dan does, Sarg. Five or six Bush bashing threads each day. Political jealousy is an ugly thing.GySgt said:It never fails. I look forward to the routine everyday bashings that come with every new thread from you that serve no real purpose. :roll:
"Diarrhea" was definately the right word.
KCConservative said:This is what Dan does, Sarg. Five or six Bush bashing threads each day. Political jealousy is an ugly thing.
danarhea said:Hey Stu - LMAO. You still using that old "Those against the war are Liberals" rant? You ought to know that dog dont hunt anymore. But lets see what you are really saying.
1) On many posts, you write that Liberals are in the minority in America (Actually I agree with you on this one).
2) Then you turn around and tell everyone that whoever against the war is a Liberal.
3) All the polls are saying that the majority of Americans want us out of Iraq.
So tell me Stu - If the majority Americans are against the war in Iraq, as all the polls indicate, are most Americans Liberal now, instead of the minority you keep saying they are? Your usual rants on this topic dont have any kind of logic to them. Why? Because you keep contradicting yourself.
Archon said:This is exactly why, when such indoctrination is based on such a false pretenese,
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