Multiple victims in Texas church shooting, local media reports[W:28:100:205,628]**

[nota bene]

Devin Patrick Kelley, Rene Boucher, James T. Hodgkinson, Seung-Hui Cho, and many other alt left extremist. Where are the evil white supremacist that we are told are a threat. The hate is on the left. Look at the riots. Look at ANTIFA cracking skulls of innocents at riots around the country. The hatred from the left is an epidemic. This monster Devin Patrick was dishonorabley discharged from the Air force. He was not allowed to own a gun and he was posting pics of his guns on social media. So he had to have obtained his guns illegally. Gun laws would not have stopped him. #NoMoreHate #AntiAntifa

Don't be so quick to blame "the Left." Kelly drove over 30 miles to carry out his gutless attack on his mother-in-law's congregation. That says something to me.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

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Of course I mourn the dead. But during natural mourning process first comes anger. And right now I am angry. Angry at this monster, anger that no one came foward and warned us about this monster. Angry at the alt left that is wreaking havoc on innocent people. Angry at the communist anarchist ANTIFA. Angery that the extreme left has taken over the Democrat party. And angry at the media who have been ignoring the alt left uprising.

Your anger is misplaced because of your partisanship. This guy was a maniac. He doesn't represent the left anymore than your partisan hackery represents the right. He doesn't represent the left anymore than racist, nazi groups represent the right. He doesn't represent the left anymore than scum like Timothy McVeigh represent the right. If you are going to be angry, drop the partisan stupidity and focus it where it belongs. On the scumbag and on missed opportunities to deal with him. Not on your partisan agenda.

 

[Ikari]

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Your anger is misplaced because of your partisanship. This guy was a maniac. He doesn't represent the left anymore than your partisan hackery represents the right. He doesn't represent the left anymore than racist, nazi groups represent the right. He doesn't represent the left anymore than scum like Timothy McVeigh represent the right. If you are going to be angry, drop the partisan stupidity and focus it where it belongs. On the scumbag and on missed opportunities to deal with him. Not on your partisan agenda.

Hey! No being reasonable in a DP political "debate"!

 

[SgtRock]

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Governor Greg Abbott just said live on Fox News that he was told by law enforcement that the good neighbor who confronted Kelley did shoot Kelley before he dropped his gun and fled.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

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(sigh)

26 people dead in one fell swoop.

I wonder how that happened.

A left wing athiest, who was dishonorably discharged from the military, lied on his FFL 4473, when background checked by the federalis missed both his bad conduct discharge, and his domestic abuse charges, both making him a prohibited possessor and an illegal purchase the federalis dropped the very obvious ball on.

 

[blackjack50]

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What showed him prior to his cowardly massacre as a raging lunatic? Are you referring to his domestic violence or what?

His Air Force record, criminal record (so domestic violence), and his Facebook posts. All warning signs and indicators of an unbalanced individual. Are you going to defend those and claim they are normal? They aren't. Maybe 1 of those things. But his was a consistent pattern. They always have a consistent pattern of anti social behaviors.

And no. I'm not saying lock everyone up. I'm saying we need to actually start considering how to treat anti social personalities. There are advances in the therapy. But they are expensive. They are hard to administer as the person being treated has to want treatment. And then you also have to learn the risk factors and how to identify said person.


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[Cisero]

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Because driving is a privilege granted by the state. A right according to our bill of rights in inalienable and granted by our creator. That is a huge difference and it is our law of the land.

Still does not address the ethical reasons for carrying firearms. The bill of rights is a reflection of what the 1789 House Of Representatives thought was ethical, moral & righteous. It's been written 250 years ago, mentalities change. Situations change. Needs change. Technology changes. Laws have to evolve & adapt to the needs of society. Hell, there are more than 10 amendments. Last one was ratified in 1992, proof that the Constitution does change.

But I'm not advocating for the modification of the 2nd Amendment. I'm just pointing out that something isn't right merely because it's in the Constitution. It's supposed to be in the Constitution because it's right.

PS : One of the articles you sourced was from 1993, the other was quite interesting.

Well a good guy with a gun took him down correct? Problem solved. Even if he had not been killed he would have probably been executed under Texas law. Again the law working to punish criminals.

Problem solved ? For the problem to be solved, we would have to prevent good guys from having to shoot bad guys in the first place. How ? By limiting bad guys access to weapons comes to mind. Waiting for a dude to start opening fire in a crowd, inevitably killing a few people before being taken down by another guy with a gun isn't a solution. It's not a world I want to live in.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

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His Air Force record, criminal record (so domestic violence), and his Facebook posts. All warning signs and indicators of an unbalanced individual. Are you going to defend those and claim they are normal? They aren't. Maybe 1 of those things. But his was a consistent pattern. They always have a consistent pattern of anti social behaviors.

And no. I'm not saying lock everyone up. I'm saying we need to actually start considering how to treat anti social personalities. There are advances in the therapy. But they are expensive. They are hard to administer as the person being treated has to want treatment. And then you also have to learn the risk factors and how to identify said person.


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Note that his entire social media profile is scrubbed? Not even a screenshot with a url on top.

 

[SgtRock]

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Your anger is misplaced because of your partisanship. This guy was a maniac. He doesn't represent the left anymore than your partisan hackery represents the right. He doesn't represent the left anymore than racist, nazi groups represent the right. He doesn't represent the left anymore than scum like Timothy McVeigh represent the right. If you are going to be angry, drop the partisan stupidity and focus it where it belongs. On the scumbag and on missed opportunities to deal with him. Not on your partisan agenda.

Devin Patrick Kelley is the face of the alt left ANTIFA. You can bury your head in the sand if you like. Open your eyes. Trump Derangement Syndrome is real. People are crazy with hatred for our President. It's obvious to anyone with a brain what the hell is going on. Captain you and I have had disagreements in the past. I respect you. But you are wrong about this one.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Don't be so quick to blame "the Left." Kelly drove over 30 miles to carry out his gutless attack on his mother-in-law's congregation. That says something to me.

This is why it's not terrorism. (or at least looking that way).

He was from what we know, a left wing SJW athiest who got a bad conduct discharge for beating his wife. the last two things made it illegal to purchase a gun, and the background check, even though he lied on it, failed as those things given the papertrail should have been noticed. He was angry and took this anger out on his inlaws church.


So while he was all those things on the left, his motivation was personal not political, ideological. or religious making it not terrorism. Like that nutjob white power nazi guy who shot up a sikh temple thinking they were muslims was distaught over his girlfriend dumping him, not seeking to do something for ideological purposes.

 

[Ikari]

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Devin Patrick Kelley is the face of the alt left ANTIFA. You can bury your head in the sand if you like. Open your eyes. Trump Derangement Syndrome is real. People are crazy with hatred for our President. It's obvious to anyone with a brain what the hell is going on. Captain you and I have had disagreements in the past. I respect you. But you are wrong about this one.

He's not wrong. I don't support antifa in the least, but to try to claim that this level of mass murder is the standard tactic of the left and antifa is disingenuous at best. This guy was a nutter, his actions were those of a crazy asshole with no moral compass. We will likely never know the full motivations behind this given that he is dead; but this cannot be said to be representative of the whole.

 

[SgtRock]

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I would assume his point is that senseless rage and the victim culture can impact anyone. Including an antifa/atheist who decides to take his war on Christians to the next level. Not all atheists are mass murderers. This one was. One can commit a hate crime against a majority group. :shrug:

Just my guess.

Personally? This is no shock. He attacked a church. He was a raging lunatic that was clearly shown to be one previously. But nobody took it seriously.


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Yes and not all white conservatives are white supremacist as many on the left claim.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

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Devin Patrick Kelley is the face of the alt left ANTIFA. You can bury your head in the sand if you like. Open your eyes. Trump Derangement Syndrome is real. People are crazy with hatred for our President. It's obvious to anyone with a brain what the hell is going on. Captain you and I have had disagreements in the past. I respect you. But you are wrong about this one.

You see the right wing hack side of things. The alt-right is just as filled with hatred of the left as the opposite. You ignore 8 years of right wing hatred towards Obama because it's OK with you, since Obama isn't your guy. You pretend that anyone who identifies as a lefty and who does something heinous represents the left. I understand that when a right winger does something heinous, he doesn't represent the right, he represents himself. Not only are you wrong on this, but you and your attitude is exactly why we have the kind of partisan hatred that we have. You and how you perceive things are a big part of the problem.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

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Yes and not all white conservatives are white supremacist as many on the left claim.

But according to your attitude, if a white conservatives IS a white supremacist, he represents ALL righties.

See how dumb overgeneralizations work?

 

[SgtRock]

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He's not wrong. I don't support antifa in the least, but to try to claim that this level of mass murder is the standard tactic of the left and antifa is disingenuous at best. This guy was a nutter, his actions were those of a crazy asshole with no moral compass. We will likely never know the full motivations behind this given that he is dead; but this cannot be said to be representative of the whole.

Excuse me. It was ANTIFA that last week called for a ANTIFA apocalypse this past weekend. They said they wanted to start a civil war. They are the extreme of the left. The alt left is real and is growing. You can deny it if you choose

 

[SgtRock]

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But according to your attitude, if a white conservatives IS a white supremacist, he represents ALL righties.

See how dumb overgeneralizations work?

Where did I say all Democrats or liberals are represented by the alt left. My post are directed at the alt left. You are twisting my words my intent.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

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Excuse me. It was ANTIFA that last week called for a ANTIFA apocalypse this past weekend. They said they wanted to start a civil war. They are the extreme of the left. The alt left is real and is growing. You can deny it if you choose

Excuse me, but that is completely irrelevant to an obviously disturbed individual, going to a church where some of his family have attended... pretty suspicious... and killing a bunch of people. You WANT it to be about the left because of your partisanship. As I said, you are an example of precisely the problem with partisanship, divisiveness, and hatred in this country.

 

[prometeus]

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Been a couple of weeks since America’s last mass shooting, was getting worried.

Retarded post.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

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Where did I say all Democrats or liberals are represented by the alt left. My post are directed at the alt left. You are twisting my words my intent.

Here are your words:

The hate is on the left.

The hatred from the left is an epidemic.

I'm not twisting your words. The hatred from your right wing side of things is evident. You take an issue, a tragedy perpetrated by some loon and make it partisan. You're the one with the problem and the one who's twisting things to fit his agenda.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

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Excuse me. It was ANTIFA that last week called for a ANTIFA apocalypse this past weekend. They said they wanted to start a civil war. They are the extreme of the left. The alt left is real and is growing. You can deny it if you choose

The Antifa revolution was not televised..........






(because no one really showed up)

 

[Ikari]

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Excuse me. It was ANTIFA that last week called for a ANTIFA apocalypse this past weekend. They said they wanted to start a civil war. They are the extreme of the left. The alt left is real and is growing. You can deny it if you choose

Excuse me, while someone in antifa may have said that, I did not witness any "civil war", did you? Perhaps I was too busy looking after my daughter to have noticed the civil war that took place. Let me check FoxNews....nope, no "civil war". So where was it?

Some blowhard in a mask saying they're going to do something is a far cry from a guy killing 26 people in a church. While the violence of antifa cannot be defended, it is not on the level of mass murder. The actions of this nutter are not representative of the whole.

 

[Parrish]

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The sheriff reported that the shooter died of a self-inflicted gunshot.

Now it's being said that they are waiting for the autopsy to determine for sure. Lot's of stuff out there.

 

[vesper]

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some are claiming he was an Antifa member or a communist. I say find out the facts before jumping to conclusions. as to his religion, I think its fair to say that shooting lots of innocent people in cold blood is hardly the actions of a true Christian

Today it is being reported that the shooter claimed to be an atheist. He wrote much about it on his own facebook page and comments he would leave on other pages.
Other reports claim his dishonorable discharge came about due to assaulting his wife and child. He spent a year in the brig for his actions.

His victims ages ranged from 5 to 72.

 

[Roadvirus]

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People who know him would know his history and the relevant incidents he was involved in and would therefore know that he shouldn't have a gun.

Fair enough. Definitely a time where "see something, say something" applies.

BUt then, some people are stupid/spineless and "don't want to get involved", and it's those types that let acts of evil like this occur unchallenged. If i saw that guy flashing that gun around and knew he wasn't suppose to have it, i'd be flagging down the nearest cop.

 

[Black Dog]

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Thanks for that link.

Note that the shooter was LEAVING the church as the neighbor shot at him.

The guys work was done. From what it sounds like, he left the scene and didn’t bother to engage the neighbor in gunfire, rather than fearing some ‘good guy with a gun’.

Sounds like the neighbor was as successful at chasing him off as my dog is repeatedly triumphant in chasing the mailman away six days a week.

That is so petty. You don't know any of the details as the story did not say. And yet you are ready to immediately say "the neighbor was as successful at chasing him off as my dog is repeatedly triumphant in chasing the mailman away six days a week." to fit your political agenda???

You don't know..

#1 "The guys work was done."

We do know for a fact...

#2 He "the gunman" dropped his weapon when he received fire from the neighbor.

Because of that...

#3 He could not return fire as he dropped his weapon.

And lastly if he did not fear "some good guy with a gun" he would not have run away with the "good guy with a gun" in pursuit.

It's dishonest, agenda driven underhanded posts like that is why people have 0 credibility.