mRNA vaccines were expected to treat colon cancer, and another had the potential to keep pancreatic cancer from recurring. RFK Jr killed both programs

[Northern Light]

"

• As confidence in science continues to plummet, belief in ideas without any evidence soars.
• Polls on a variety topics reveal that some Americans aren't sure about basic facts, such as whether the world is round.
• Educational attainment and political affiliation are contributing factors to subscription to specific conspiracy theories."

Scary Polls: Americans' Belief in Things Without Evidence

As confidence in science plummets, belief in ideas without evidence soars. Americans often believe what they want to, and here are some examples.

www.psychologytoday.com

I agree, scientific literacy and critical thinking have dropped a lot. Hence all the "follow the science" types in this thread who don't know the first thing about science.

Fauci and the FDA were proven wrong in the senate hearings, which btw was when Biden admin was still in power, so you can't even blame Trump. All you people said "follow the science" when the scientists were caught red handed fabricating efficacy rates to push product.

Purging scientists and medical experts who disagree with the big pharma narrative does not make science correct, it makes it corrupt.

Humble yourself.

 

[Threegoofs]

Why would I explain them in a forum where incredibly hostile people such as yourself lurk in order to pounce, defame, character-assassinate, libel and basically dehumanize anyone who has a view counter to big pharma?

You're a big pharma rep or you work in an adjacent field. Just admit it already.

I already have told you.

Calling someone bonkers, woo woo, crazy, mentally unstable etc... is really just in poor taste + gaslighting.

Seeing sick people potentially with life threatening disease from adopting woowoo ideas is even worse than poor taste. And I'm tired of it.

I am perfectly capable of interpreting common reality. I don't have a mental disorder or a disability. Your insults are ableist and rude AF.

You should just revert to "ignoring this shit" because you lower the tenor of every single conversation you enter on this subject. You just can't contain your personal offense, it pours out and attacks in all directions like a slime.

Like I said, I really hate people who misinform on critical infectious disease topics. Its starting to have bad consequences.

I don't get my info from youtube videos kiddo. Not that I'm going to share my personal educational background with the likes of you.

Thats what all the guys who get their info from tiktok say.

"Doubtful" no it isn't. Clinicians all over the world used high dose vitamin D to reduce severity, saving lives, while American hospitals just put people on ventilators to die. Nobody said vitamin D cures covid... but imagine if it could even reduce severity by 5%, or hell even 1% (it's actually more like 10-15%). That 1% could've meant the difference between life and death for some. A harmless vitamin. But they wouldn't use it because big pharma wanted that good old EUA to go through.

Oh! A number! 10%.... where did you pull that from? And what the hell does a 5% reduced severity even MEAN?

Hospitals let people die and pushed the "woo narrative" like you're doing, rather than use any and all means to save people.

It was evil.

That post is some wacko shit right there.

What else would you call credible and reliable research if not empirical?

Empirical has meaning, you know. And it has nothing to do with credible or reliable. LIke I said, you put it in there to sound 'scienc-y' because at baseline, you have no clue about what youre talking about, and apparently no principles or insight to understand that when you spread misinformation about heath care, other idiots beleive it and end up getting hurt and/or hurting others.

You are such a bad faith actor. I don't take anything you have to say seriously, I'm only interacting with you out of entertainment at this point. The fact that the mods let you continue on this track just shows what a not-serious discussion site this is.

The fact that you refuse to back up any of your statements with evidence is making this thread BY DEFINITION non-serious. But the people who are intentionally hurt by this type of misinformation can be seriously hurt. Some of us care about them.

 

[Northern Light]

I already have told you.


Seeing sick people potentially with life threatening disease from adopting woowoo ideas is even worse than poor taste. And I'm tired of it.

Iatrogenic death is a leading cause of death in the US. That's doctors and patients following medically approved protocols. Me simply talking isn't hurting anyone. Stop being so recreationally outraged.

Like I said, I really hate people who misinform on critical infectious disease topics. Its starting to have bad consequences.

It's only your opinion that I'm misinforming.

Thats what all the guys who get their info from tiktok say.

Ok dude.

Oh! A number! 10%.... where did you pull that from? And what the hell does a 5% reduced severity even MEAN?

That post is some wacko shit right there.

Empirical has meaning, you know. And it has nothing to do with credible or reliable. LIke I said, you put it in there to sound 'scienc-y' because at baseline, you have no clue about what youre talking about, and apparently no principles or insight to understand that when you spread misinformation about heath care, other idiots beleive it and end up getting hurt and/or hurting others.

The fact that you refuse to back up any of your statements with evidence is making this thread BY DEFINITION non-serious. But the people who are intentionally hurt by this type of misinformation can be seriously hurt. Some of us care about them.

Yeah we're done here. You're just into twisting words, being incredibly rude, and personal attacks. You're not even responding to anything I've said, other than with insults. Yet you expect a debate rooted in scientific decorum. You're the absolutely last person on the internet I'd have such a conversation with. You think your opinion is god... probably a big pharma rep, if not outright cluster B on full display here.

This is the last time I'm interacting with you on this site. Goodbye!

 

[HenryChinaski]

Comparing me to a flat earther is absurd and you know it.

If you really think that my concerns put me on par with that kind of ignorance, then you are completely oblivious to any and all counter-information to the mainstream. That is sad.

You’re very similar. both groups set aside critical thinking skills in order to accept nonsense and what isn’t true. The National Institute of health and psychology today have published some very fascinating and in-depth studies regarding the psychology of anti-VAXers. I would link them for you but it would be pointless.

 

[Threegoofs]

Flu vaccine has 40% efficacy rate, for 3 weeks. It may reduce severity of the relevant strain, it does not stop the spread.

My, you really are behind on your reading.

"Trust the experts"... yeah we know you do.

wrong. And WTF does 'for three weeks' even mean?

Just informally, have you ever met a vaccinated person who didn't at some point get covid anyway?

Honestly, this doesn't even require peer review... you just have to lookup what Fauci himself has said in the senate hearings.

COVID vaccine most certainly prevented the spread. its really not an arguable point. And I'm sure you can find some out of context or incomplete video clip, thats pretty much whats been fed to you, I"m sure.

Yes really. Otherwise we wouldn't need seasonal flu vaccines based on projected strains.

Please stop larping as an expert. Your knowledge gaps of basic, common info that even a 2nd year biology student would know, are absolutely appalling... especially given how hard you've been ripping into me about my mental status.

Dont think I've ever commented on your mental status, but I can see why you might be sensitive about it now that you mention it.

 

[Threegoofs]

Iatrogenic death is a leading cause of death in the US. That's doctors and patients following medically approved protocols. Me simply talking isn't hurting anyone. Stop being so recreationally outraged.

(CItation needed), although we all know that it came from your sigmoid colon.

This is the last time I'm interacting with you on this site. Goodbye!

Hopefully we can get you to widen that circle and only damage yourself with your incredibly awful health misinformation.

 

[Slavister]

@Northern Light

 

[ataraxia]

I agree, scientific literacy and critical thinking have dropped a lot. Hence all the "follow the science" types in this thread who don't know the first thing about science.

Fauci and the FDA were proven wrong in the senate hearings,

"Proven wrong in senate hearings?"

That's your idea of scientific literacy? Science is not a political process nor a democratic one.

It turns actual doctors and scientists disagree with the senators on the science. Who you gonna trust more?

“His advice has been as well informed as data and the rapidly evolving circumstances allowed. And importantly, he has given his advice with humility, being clear about what we know and what is unknown, but requires judgment... We deplore the personal attacks on Dr. Fauci. The criticism is inaccurate, unscientific, ill-founded in the facts and, increasingly, motivated by partisan politics. ”

Top doctors, scientists support Fauci in open letter

More than a hundred doctors signed onto an open letter defending Fauci against criticism “motivated by partisan politics.”

www.medicaleconomics.com

Purging scientists and medical experts who disagree with the big pharma narrative does not make science correct, it makes it corrupt.

You would have to purge the entire medical and scientific community, and maybe replace them with the pundits at Fox News - to make them less "corrupt" then.

"“For more than 50 years, Dr. Anthony Fauci has been a strong and steady voice for science—and data-driven responses to some of the biggest public health challenges of our time. Through the HIV/AIDS crisis, Ebola, Zika, and nearly three years of the COVID-19 global pandemic, Dr. Fauci has not only provided sage advice and counsel to presidents of both parties, but he smartly leveraged modern media to deliver clear and direct guidance and information to the American people. Over his decades of work, Dr. Fauci has protected patients, saved lives, and, through simple human actions like hugging the Dallas nurse who survived Ebola, destigmatized disease. On behalf of America’s physicians, I congratulate Dr. Fauci on a remarkable career and wish him well as he writes his next chapter.”
Jack Resneck Jr., M.D.
President, American Medical Association (AMA)

AMA statement on Anthony Fauci, MD, stepping down as NIAID director

On behalf of America’s physicians, we congratulate Dr. Fauci on a remarkable career and wish him well as he writes his next chapter.

www.ama-assn.org

Humble yourself.

LIke I said, consequences speak for themselves. Trump voters died at 3 times the rate of everyone else during Covid. If not because they live in a cesspool of misinformation and conspiracy theories 24/7, why do you think that would be?

 

[Northern Light]

@Northern Light

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That data is flawed because we now know most hospitals failed to separate death with covid from death from covid. Anyone who had covid when they died, regardless of disease, had their cause of death as covid. Hospitals received more government funding per "covid death." Studies of death rate data have shown major flaws.

And we know that the US medical system thinks of people who refuse vaccination. They hate them. They would happily attribute their deaths to covid for any reason, just to spite them.

Countries like India without covid vaccines had one large spike, 0.01% of people died, and then the pandemic was over thanks to natural herd immunity. That same death rate was consistent all over the world, vaccinated or not.

 

[Northern Light]

You’re very similar. both groups set aside critical thinking skills in order to accept nonsense and what isn’t true. The National Institute of health and psychology today have published some very fascinating and in-depth studies regarding the psychology of anti-VAXers. I would link them for you but it would be pointless.

Whatever makes you feel righteous dude. *shrug*

You can spit venom all you want, doesn't make you more correct.

 

[Roadvirus]

He himself has a lot of knowledge

As the head of this department he can surround himself with the experts he needs.

Unfortunately, his idea of "experts" are medical school failures & Alex Jones wannabes.

 

[Roadvirus]

How is he going to directly kill people?

Depriving Americans of medical treatments.

 

[Roadvirus]

People like you are why RFK Jr. is needed. Medical science has become a monolith and about following orders. It's supposed to be about the truth, like all science is.

A guy who swims in shit water & let's his family swim in shit water is not the right person to be heading the Health and Human Services department.

 

[Roadvirus]

No.

You can't just make claims and not prove them.

 

[Roadvirus]

Like I said, RFK Jr. will wipe the floor with people like you, and I will be eating popcorn watching.

Big TOUGH TALK!

 

[Roadvirus]

I think most of the anti-vaxxer proof comes from Facebook and quacky scientists who haven't been peer-reviewed.

Med school failures.
Alex Jones wannabes.
Students of the Doctor Moreau Crimes Against God Medical School.
Trump University.

 

[Roadvirus]

Even worse, people in my community and family may eventually die due to his devotion to stupidity.

Thats why I really hate this stuff. Stupid stuff is just steamrolling us these days.

And we've got to put up with it for 3 more years.



1½ - 2 years if the Democrats retake Congress.

 

[Plasmaball]

The anti vax assholes won't be happy until everyone gets the plague.

I dont want maga

 

[HenryChinaski]

Whatever makes you feel righteous dude. *shrug*

You can spit venom all you want, doesn't make you more correct.

Facts are correct, I listen to those that are experts in their field.
I'm not going to listen to a plumber's opinion about astrophysics any more that I'm going to listen to some random AA or barista's opinion from a FB group on vaccines.
Getting margarita recipes from YouTube channels and FB groups is great.
Getting medical advice that can potentially kill or maim from YouTube and FB isn't what well reasoned individuals do.

 

[Roadvirus]

Not everyone agrees the Earth is round, either.

In fact, more Americans believe in UFO abductions with anal probings and Elvis sightings at their local grocery store than they do in basic evolutionary biology, climate change science, or vaccines. That's why we have someone telling them to go chasing after cancer causing wind turbines and cat eating Haitians gets elected president. How embarrassing for this country.

I'm surprised Hollow Earthers haven't made a comeback. Other idiotic ideas seem to be all the rage since January.

 

[Roadvirus]

Comparing me to a flat earther is absurd and you know it.

Stop acting like one & you won't be compared to them.

Pretty simple, really.

 

[Roadvirus]

Why would I explain them in a forum where incredibly hostile people such as yourself lurk in order to pounce, defame, character-assassinate, libel and basically dehumanize anyone who has a view counter to big pharma?

You're a big pharma rep or you work in an adjacent field. Just admit it already.



Calling someone bonkers, woo woo, crazy, mentally unstable etc... is really just in poor taste + gaslighting.

I am perfectly capable of interpreting common reality. I don't have a mental disorder or a disability. Your insults are ableist and rude AF.

You should just revert to "ignoring this shit" because you lower the tenor of every single conversation you enter on this subject. You just can't contain your personal offense, it pours out and attacks in all directions like a slime.



I don't get my info from youtube videos kiddo. Not that I'm going to share my personal educational background with the likes of you.

"Doubtful" no it isn't. Clinicians all over the world used high dose vitamin D to reduce severity, saving lives, while American hospitals just put people on ventilators to die. Nobody said vitamin D cures covid... but imagine if it could even reduce severity by 5%, or hell even 1% (it's actually more like 10-15%). That 1% could've meant the difference between life and death for some. A harmless vitamin. But they wouldn't use it because big pharma wanted that good old EUA to go through.

I'd start a "Big Pharma" drinking game, but i wouldn't want anyone to suffer from alcohol poisoning.

 

[Roadvirus]

@Northern Light

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But...but...autism and stuff! Placebo studies! Ivermectin!!

 

[Slavister]

That data is flawed because we now know most hospitals failed to separate death with covid from death from covid. Anyone who had covid when they died, regardless of disease, had their cause of death as covid. Hospitals received more government funding per "covid death." Studies of death rate data have shown major flaws.

Actually, excess death studies have showed that covid death rates were HIGHER than reported. While it's true that some deaths were incorrectly marked as covid, there were a lot MORE missed covid deaths that were never reported. For a while, there were simply not enough tests to waste on dead people. So clinitians would not even know if a person died with covid or not, let alone from it. Secondly, while hospitals were getting extra money to treat covid patients, there was NO conspiracy to incorrectly mark covid deaths as discovery of such conspiracy would risk whole Medicare funding for the hospital system AND individual employees of hospitals do NOT benefit from the extra money that hospital system makes. Finally, a lot of deaths FROM covid happen a lot later (months later) due to damage covid does to internal organs, long after covid tests turn negative. None of such cases would count as covid deaths even though they truly are.

And we know that the US medical system thinks of people who refuse vaccination. They hate them. They would happily attribute their deaths to covid for any reason, just to spite them.

CT nonsense that does not translate into the stats.

Countries like India without covid vaccines had one large spike, 0.01% of people died, and then the pandemic was over thanks to natural herd immunity. That same death rate was consistent all over the world, vaccinated or not.

Whenever people looked, in apples-to-apples comparisons, vaccinated always fared better.

 

[ataraxia]

I'm surprised Hollow Earthers haven't made a comeback. Other idiotic ideas seem to be all the rage since January.

Between all the running around chasing after cat eating Haitians, cancer causing wind turbines, genocidal S Africans, Jewish space lasers, Hunter Biden dick pics, and other such odds and ends, there's only so much they can do at any given time- poor things.