MPs vote to decriminalise abortion for women in England and Wales

[Lursa]

There was/is no reason to “qualify” an obvious academic question to another’s blanket assertion.

If those words were used in the others blanket assertion, please quote that. "Simply for convenience." Otherwise those words were your choice.

Not reading further without an answer to the above.

My question was specific/direct;


“Effective impact” refers to a noticeable influence or change achieved by a deliberate effort/action, and obviously bears no relation at all to my question.

I haven’t speculated on “why”. I asked a “why” question.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Not reading further without an answer to the above.

Reading further will answer your question.

 

[Lursa]

Reading further will answer your question.

There was no quote.

 

[Gordy327]

Only in cases where the health/life of the mother is involved.

Yes, but I was referring to elective abortions.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Yes, but I was referring to elective abortions.

I know. My point is that, from everything I’ve read published by the Canadian government and pro-choice advocacy groups in Canada, that are no late term elective abortions in Canada.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

There was no quote.

Playing the “if he didn’t say those exact words, it doesn’t count” game?

@Grand Mal clearly indicated his (erroneous) belief that all abortions decisions are made between a woman and her doctor.

Theres no laws around abortion in Canada. None. It's between a woman and her doctor. And what you fear has not been an issue.
Whose judgement do you not trust, women or doctors?

 

[Gordy327]

I know. My point is that, from everything I’ve read published by the Canadian government and pro-choice advocacy groups in Canada, that are no late term elective abortions in Canada.

Sounds like no one is choosing to have them. It makes me wonder why some anti abortionists sometimes get hysterical about it? Its as if they think such abortions would be common place if there were no restrictions. But then, they never struck me as being rational to begin with.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Sounds like no one is choosing to have them. It makes me wonder why some anti abortionists sometimes get hysterical about it? It’s as if they think such abortions would be common place if there were no restrictions. But then, they never struck me as being rational to begin with.

Nothing at all rational about arguing for/giving more rights to a non-sentient clump of cells than the woman it feeds off of.

 

[Gordy327]

Nothing at all rational about arguing for/giving more rights to a non-sentient clump of cells than the woman it feeds off of.

Indeed.

 

[Lursa]

Playing the “if he didn’t say those exact words, it doesn’t count” game?

Hey...it's YOUR phrasing that I'm pointing out. If he had written them or a close approximation, wouldnt that work in your favor?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Hey...it's YOUR phrasing that I'm pointing out. If he had written them or a close approximation, wouldnt that work in your favor?

Yes, my phrasing that was a correct understanding of @Grand Mal ‘s assertion, and it absolutely confirms that I’m right that he made the erroneous broad brush assertion.

Theres no laws around abortion in Canada. None. It's between a woman and her doctor. And what you fear has not been an issue.
Who's judgement do you not trust, women or doctors?

 

[Lursa]

Yes, my phrasing that was a correct understanding of @Grand Mal ‘s assertion, and it absolutely confirms that I’m right that he made the erroneous broad brush assertion.

Let me get this straight, with regards to decision about a medical procedure....you are saying you translated "between a woman and her doctor" into "simply for convenience?"

And you believe that's very close to the same thing? Holy shit.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Let me get this straight, with regards to decision about a medical procedure....you are saying you translated "between a woman and her doctor" into "simply for convenience?"

And you believe that's very close to the same thing? Holy shit.

Holy shit, you’re really going out of your way to avoid acknowledging your ridiculous, wrongheaded knee-jerk reaction to my question of @Grand Mal.

You’re claiming elective abortions in the 9th month of pregnancy simply for “convenience” are allowed?

 

[Lursa]

Holy shit, you’re really going out of your way to avoid acknowledging your ridiculous, wrongheaded knee-jerk reaction to my question of @Grand Mal.
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Absolutely the same answer. Your post is drowning in ignorance of what such a late term abortion is comprised of, and the cost, pain, and the dangers. It's not some "casual procedure."

It would indeed be between the woman and her doctor...and no doctor in the US is compelled to do an abortion if they dont want to.

So we're back to...are women AND doctors monsters not to be trusted, that women are waiting the day before their delivery dates to have abortions and doctors are willing to do them? THIS is the blatant presumption based on "simply for convenience."

"Holy shit"

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Absolutely the same answer. Your post is drowning in ignorance of what such a late term abortion is comprised of, and the cost, pain, and the dangers. It's not some "casual procedure."

It would indeed be between the woman and her doctor...and no doctor in the US is compelled to do an abortion if they dont want to.

So we're back to...are women AND doctors monsters not to be trusted, that women are waiting the day before their delivery dates to have abortions and doctors are willing to do them? THIS is the blatant presumption based on "simply for convenience."

"Holy shit"

Are you really as slow to understand the very simple point of my question to @Grand Mal as your above post indicates?

Cost, pain, doctor’s right of refusal, etc., have **** all to do with the perfectly reasonable question I asked.

@Real blank said because of a vote in Parliament, in England and Wales “basically women can terminate their child the day before it’s born”.

@Grand Mal responded to @Real blank, saying “Theres no laws around abortion in Canada. None. It's between a woman and her doctor”, indicating to any literate person that @Grand Mal thought/thinks there are no restrictions on abortions in Canada.

I’m sorry if you’re genuinely having a hard time following, but your inability to follow that simple and direct line of reasoning isn’t my problem.

 

[Lursa]

Are you really as slow to understand the very simple point of my question to @Grand Mal as your above post indicates?

Cost, pain, doctor’s right of refusal, etc., have **** all to do with the perfectly reasonable question I asked.

@Real blank said because of a vote in Parliament, in England and Wales “basically women can terminate their child the day before it’s born”.

@Grand Mal responded to @Real blank, saying “Theres no laws around abortion in Canada. None. It's between a woman and her doctor”, indicating to any literate person that @Grand Mal thought/thinks there are no restrictions on abortions in Canada.

I’m sorry if you’re genuinely having a hard time following, but your inability to follow that simple and direct line of reasoning isn’t my problem.

And yet you added "simply for convenience". "I'm sorry" if you dont like how that plays.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

And yet you added "simply for convenience". "I'm sorry" if you dont like how that plays.

I’m sorry you aren’t capable of acknowledging when you’re wrong.

 

[Lursa]

I’m sorry you aren’t capable of acknowledging when you’re wrong.

I pointed out the translation in a previous post. It's not wrong, it's basic English.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I pointed out the translation in a previous post. It's not wrong, it's basic English.

Again, your inability to follow the simple and direct line of reasoning isn’t my problem.

 

[Lursa]

I’m sorry you aren’t capable of acknowledging when you’re wrong.

I pointed out the translation in a previous post. It's not wrong, it's basic English.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

@Lursa

There was no “translation”.

Only a string of deflections, obfuscations, and lies following your original wrongheaded, reactionary response to a reasonable question.

 

[Lursa]

@Lursa
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There was no “translation”.

Only a string of deflections, obfuscations, and lies following your original wrongheaded, reactionary response to a reasonable question.

It was a direct translation of my showing exactly what you told me you had read from the other poster...and your words.

Let me get this straight, with regards to decision about a medical procedure....you are saying you translated "between a woman and her doctor" into "simply for convenience?"

And you believe that's very close to the same thing? Holy shit.

Yes it was regarding late term abortions. Specifically, from your post, one requested a day before birth Re: late term or the egregiously ridiculous "one day before birth", your interpretation of his words into "simply for convenience" is a sickeningly disrespectful and baseless perspective on women. And doctors.

 

[Bodi]

Sounds like no one is choosing to have them. It makes me wonder why some anti abortionists sometimes get hysterical about it? Its as if they think such abortions would be common place if there were no restrictions. But then, they never struck me as being rational to begin with.

I bet it is only male Pro-Lifers that cry about the late term abortion Straw Man. Women are not choosing to remain pregnant for 8 months and all that and then be like, 'nah, I want to abort'. More women murder their baby at the prom or in a dumpster in an alley than about at 8 months.

 

[Gordy327]

I bet it is only male Pro-Lifers that cry about the late term abortion Straw Man. Women are not choosing to remain pregnant for 8 months and all that and then be like, 'nah, I want to abort'. More women murder their baby at the prom or in a dumpster in an alley than about at 8 months.

Late term abortion is one of the emotionally manipulative phrases abti abortionists use to try and manipulative the ignorant into their line of thinking, even though they cannot seem to come up with a rational and legal reason why they should be restricted.