MPs vote to decriminalise abortion for women in England and Wales

[RaleBulgarian]

Whether elective late term abortions happen or not is irrelevant. What difference does it make?

Not sure you meant to post what you actually posted here ^.

If late term abortions were happening, that’d be very relevant.

The question was an academic one only intended to suss out the possibility that such later abortions could/would even take place after Canada formally decriminalized abortions after 24 weeks.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

What did this sentence imply?

That the question was one of simple curiosity. Nothing more.

 

[Lursa]

Not sure you meant to post what you actually posted here ^.

If late term abortions were happening, that’d be very relevant.

The question was an academic one only intended to suss out the possibility that such later abortions could/would even take place after Canada formally decriminalized abortions after 24 weeks.

Are you aware there are a few states in the US with no such restrictions at "viability" in the US...and no such non-medically necessary abortions take place? If they do, you'd have to provide the data please?

And if there's no such data...are you going to assume they happen anyway?

 

[Lursa]

That the question was one of simple curiosity. Nothing more.

Note what I bolded. It's insulting and disrespectful. "Simply out of convenience."

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Are you aware there are a few states in the US with no such restrictions at "viability" in the US...and no such non-medically necessary abortions take place? If they do, you'd have to provide the data please?

And if there's no such data...are you going to assume they happen anyway?

I’m not assuming anything.

You’re wrongly inferring an intent that hasn’t been posted.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Note what I bolded. It's insulting and disrespectful. "Simply out of convenience."

It isn’t, within the context of the post.

 

[Lursa]

I’m not assuming anything.

You’re wrongly inferring an intent that hasn’t been posted.

So....you can ask/assume it for CA but not for the US? OK...I think things are clear here. You are just abandoning the conversation.

 

[Lursa]

It isn’t, within the context of the post.

See above. That choice of wording is crystal clear.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

So....you can ask/assume it for CA but not for the US? OK...I think things are clear here.

Dumb comment.

I have a good understanding of abortion laws (federal and state) throughout the United States. I don’t know much about Canada’s.

You are just abandoning the conversation.

You’re spinning, trying to avoid acknowledging that you misinterpreted the actual intent of my question, even after I have provided multiple crystal clear posts explaining that my interest was only of sn academic nature.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

See above. That choice of wording is crystal clear.

See my above post.

 

[Lursa]

Dumb comment.

I have a good understanding of abortion laws (federal and state) throughout the United States. I don’t know much about Canada’s.

You’re spinning, trying to avoid acknowledging that you misinterpreted the actual intent of my question, even after I have provided multiple crystal clear posts explaining that my interest was only of sn academic nature.

No, I didnt. You are objecting to everything...and not answering questions direct to the topic. Your use of words were clearly not of an "academic nature." To use "simply for convenience" IMO anyone not demeaning women would have indicated those were taken from a specific context or at least put in quotes, as I've done, to indicate they're not your own.

Just one example.

 

[Gordy327]

Not sure you meant to post what you actually posted here ^.

If late term abortions were happening, that’d be very relevant.

The question was an academic one only intended to suss out the possibility that such later abortions could/would even take place after Canada formally decriminalized abortions after 24 weeks.

Yes, I did mean what I said in my post and the questions stand: what difference does it make and what relevance is it?
Could such abortions be performed? Of course, it is possible. Are they actually performed? Maybe. What do statistics say on the matter? But again, if there are no restrictions, then what does it matter? If there are restrictions, on what rational and legal basis are those restrictions founded?

Dumb comment.

I have a good understanding of abortion laws (federal and state) throughout the United States. I don’t know much about Canada’s.

As far as I know, there are no restrictions. But Canada also has a lower abortion rate than the US too. If im wrong, anyone is free to correct me.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

No, I didnt. You are objecting to everything...and not answering questions direct to the topic. Your use of words were clearly not of an "academic nature." To use "simply for convenience" IMO anyone not demeaning women would have indicated those were taken from a specific context or at least put in quotes, as I've done, to indicate they're not your own.

Just one example.

Your opinion is flat wrong.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Yes, I did mean what I said in my post and the questions stand: what difference does it make and what relevance is it?
Could such abortions be performed? Of course, it is possible. Are they actually performed? Maybe. What do statistics say on the matter? But again, if there are no restrictions, then what does it matter? If there are restrictions, on what rational and legal basis are those restrictions founded?

We’ll have to agree to disagree on whether or not late term, on demand, elective abortions are relevant.

As far as I know, there are no restrictions.

Among the many provinces in Canada, there are varying rules/guidelines (not laws) regarding abortions in clinics.

From what I’ve read, my understanding is that all hospitals follow the same rules/guidelines.

But Canada also has a lower abortion rate than the US too. If im wrong, anyone is free to correct me.

You’re likely correct, but I don’t know for certain.

 

[Gordy327]

We’ll have to agree to disagree on whether or not late term, on demand, elective abortions are relevant.

Explain why its relevant then.

Among the many provinces in Canada, there are varying rules/guidelines (not laws) regarding abortions in clinics.

From what I’ve read, my understanding is that all hospitals follow the same rules/guidelines.

Fair enough.

You’re likely correct, but I don’t know for certain.

Im sure there are statistics which can be researched. But it should be noted that the abortion rate in the US has gone up a little since the Dobbs ruling.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Explain why it’s relevant then.

Why do you believe that elective abortion in the 9th month of pregnancy isn’t relevant?

Im sure there are statistics which can be researched. But it should be noted that the abortion rate in the US has gone up a little since the Dobbs ruling.

Yeah, I know. No doubt, pisses off the anti-choicers that celebrated Dobbs.

 

[Gordy327]

Why do you believe that elective abortion in the 9th month of pregnancy isn’t relevant?

Its either allowed or its not. If it is allowed, then whats the issue?

Yeah, I know. No doubt, pisses off the anti-choicers that celebrated Dobbs.

Apparently Dobbs wasn't as big of a win for them ad they thought. And its hilarious.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Its either allowed or its not. If it is allowed, then whats the issue?

Personally, I have an issue with the idea of allowable elective abortion at 9 months.

Fortunately, and as expected, although Canada has decriminalized abortions beyond 24 weeks (a good thing for sure), I’ve not found any source indicating elective abortions being available anywhere in Canada at that stage in fetal development.

 

[Gordy327]

Personally, I have an issue with the idea of allowable elective abortion at 9 months.

Fortunately, and as expected, although Canada has decriminalized abortions beyond 24 weeks (a good thing for sure), I’ve not found any source indicating elective abortions being available anywhere in Canada at that stage in fetal development.

Likely no one is seeking elective late term abortions much less performing them.

 

[BirdinHand]

You haven’t read this is without a doctor

How the hell does a woman have an abortion at 8 months of gestation without a doctor?

Why is there a correct opinion all women have ?

The correct opinion on abortion is whatever the opinion of the woman who is pregnant is.

Her and her doctors. And whatever they come up with.


I’m in NJ. There are no restrictions on abortion here. My state trusts women and their doctors.

That should be universal.

 

[Lursa]

Your opinion is flat wrong.

Again, the words were there and not qualified otherwise.

Perhaps actually speaking to the issue and data and realities would have made more effective impact. Rather than speculating a "why."

 

[Grand Mal]

None. My question was in response to this part of @Grand Mal’s post;

While it’s true that there are no laws in Canada against abortion at any stage in pregnancy, or for any reason, hospitals and clinics throughout it’s provinces have their rules/guidelines, refuting @Grand Mal’s above highlighted claim.

There's no laws, as I said. It's between a woman and her doctor, as I said.
"No laws" does not mean a doctor is required to perform abortion on demand. Doctors in Canada are in private practice and can be guided by their consciences.

There’s no way of knowing if late term elective abortions happen in Canada because there are no uniform reporting requirements across all provinces and all abortion providers.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

There's no laws, as I said. It's between a woman and her doctor, as I said.

“No laws” doesn’t equate with “between a woman and her doctor”.

“Abortion is subject to provincial healthcare regulatory rules and guidelines for physicians.”

Abortion in Canada - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

"No laws" does not mean a doctor is required to perform abortion on demand.

Goes without saying.

Doctors in Canada are in private practice and can be guided by their consciences.

Irrespective of R. v. Morgentaler, doctors in Canada have not been required by law or other directive to perform abortions if doing so is contradictory to their personal beliefs.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Again, the words were there and not qualified otherwise.

There was/is no reason to “qualify” an obvious academic question to another’s blanket assertion.

Perhaps actually speaking to the issue and data …

My question was specific/direct;

You’re claiming elective abortions in the 9th month of pregnancy simply for “convenience” are allowed?

… and realities would have made more effective impact.

“Effective impact” refers to a noticeable influence or change achieved by a deliberate effort/action, and obviously bears no relation at all to my question.

Rather than speculating a "why."

I haven’t speculated on “why”. I asked a “why” question.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Likely no one is seeking elective late term abortions much less performing them.

Only in cases where the health/life of the mother is involved.