Most of The World Could Be 100% Powered With Renewables by 2050

[Jack Hays]

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[Jack Hays]

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[Media_Truth]

You like your current situation, and so attempt to justify it.
That does not mean that 1:1 net metering will work with higher percentages, and has nothing to
do with you being a being a net metering customer.

Utilities, and more importantly the customers of Utillty Companies, benefit greatly from Netmetering. I pointed out the obvious - less power plant construction, no voltage line loss; which hold down costs for everybody. If everybody started solar panels on their rooftops, that would be a wonderful thing. We aren't even close to that. As I mentioned, with my Utility, less than 1% of their customers are Netmetered.

For illustration, however, let's assume that many, many customers start installing PVs with Netmetering. This is no different than phone companies with land-lines. It is the company's responsibility to adapt. the music recording industry had to adapt to incredible changes in their markets.

Sunrun CEO: Why Utilities Are Attacking Net Metering | Greentech Media

According to Fenster, the APS head of renewable policy has acknowledged that distributed solar reduces the utility's need to build transmission and distribution infrastructure and therefore slows the utility's growth. “Every time solar puts a system on the grid, it basically privatizes the investment APS would have to incur on behalf of all ratepayers and have everybody pay for.”
...
But utilities could also be like the previous generation of phone companies. “Land-line phone companies make significantly less money, but none have gone bankrupt and service is still reliable. It has just been a change in market size, and they have weathered it,” Fenster said. “It could be the same for utilities. They would be less profitable but still reliable, and could survive as credit-worthy entities."

Or, he said, some might follow the lead of a recent PG&E management team that began investing in distributed solar. “They saw the future and wanted to be a part of it.”

 

[longview]

Utilities, and more importantly the customers of Utillty Companies, benefit greatly from Netmetering. I pointed out the obvious - less power plant construction, no voltage line loss; which hold down costs for everybody. If everybody started solar panels on their rooftops, that would be a wonderful thing. We aren't even close to that. As I mentioned, with my Utility, less than 1% of their customers are Netmetered.

For illustration, however, let's assume that many, many customers start installing PVs with Netmetering. This is no different than phone companies with land-lines. It is the company's responsibility to adapt. the music recording industry had to adapt to incredible changes in their markets.

Sunrun CEO: Why Utilities Are Attacking Net Metering | Greentech Media

According to Fenster, the APS head of renewable policy has acknowledged that distributed solar reduces the utility's need to build transmission and distribution infrastructure and therefore slows the utility's growth. “Every time solar puts a system on the grid, it basically privatizes the investment APS would have to incur on behalf of all ratepayers and have everybody pay for.”
...
But utilities could also be like the previous generation of phone companies. “Land-line phone companies make significantly less money, but none have gone bankrupt and service is still reliable. It has just been a change in market size, and they have weathered it,” Fenster said. “It could be the same for utilities. They would be less profitable but still reliable, and could survive as credit-worthy entities."

Or, he said, some might follow the lead of a recent PG&E management team that began investing in distributed solar. “They saw the future and wanted to be a part of it.”

There are some benefits to distributed sources, but those benefits are largely outweighed by the necessity to have the same grid capacity as before maintained,
for when those poor duty cycle sources are not producing. The problem is further complicated by 1:1 net metering where the utility is required
to give customers a retail value credit for off duty cycle consumption.
The authors analogy to the land lines of the phone company is a poor analogy, because the cellular customer does not still require a land line at all,
while the net metered solar customer still requires the full capacity of the grid to maintain normal operations.
I think the solar customers should receive credit for their surplus, but know that the accounting cannot support 1:1 net metering.
There MUST be a differential between what the utility pays for it's units of electricity and what it sells them for,
if not the utility cannot sustain operation. For home solar to be useful for society at large, and exploit the benefits of distributed sources,
it must be grid tied, and as such the grid and it's utility owner must be in business.

 

[Tans]

And what about batteries or some other storage, for the times of no sunlight and dead wind patterns?

Who's crystal ball says we will have adequate storage means by then?

That's assuming there is a surplus in generating capacity from using such sources by themselves in the first place, of course.

 

[Tans]

I see. And do you honestly believe that you would be told if oil was the motivation. More naivety on full display.

We didn't take their oil. Guess it wasn't the reason to invade Iraq, was it?

 

[Tans]

Yes. No doubt.

I agree. I have no doubt either.

 

[Tans]

Lots of things could happen if they were wanted "badly enough" but as demand for fossil fuels falls so does their cost because their supply exists. IMHO, short of a huge tax (effective ban?) on these current fossil fuels it is extremely unlikely to happen.

Huge taxes do have a tendency to cause revolts, of course.

 

[Tans]

Yes, they will be around until we have some incredible breakthrough in technology.

I'm waiting for the fusion powered dragster.

 

[Media_Truth]

There are some benefits to distributed sources, but those benefits are largely outweighed by the necessity to have the same grid capacity as before maintained,
for when those poor duty cycle sources are not producing. The problem is further complicated by 1:1 net metering where the utility is required
to give customers a retail value credit for off duty cycle consumption.
The authors analogy to the land lines of the phone company is a poor analogy, because the cellular customer does not still require a land line at all,
while the net metered solar customer still requires the full capacity of the grid to maintain normal operations.
I think the solar customers should receive credit for their surplus, but know that the accounting cannot support 1:1 net metering.
There MUST be a differential between what the utility pays for it's units of electricity and what it sells them for,
if not the utility cannot sustain operation. For home solar to be useful for society at large, and exploit the benefits of distributed sources,
it must be grid tied, and as such the grid and it's utility owner must be in business.

Such circular argumentation.

You have never acknowleded the Fixed Fee that Utilities charge every customer, including Netmetering customers. You have never acknowledged that Utilities can raise Usage rates to make up the difference. You have never acknowledged that Utility CEOs can reduce their hefty bonuses.

With these financial tools, the Utilities can adapt, just like the phone companies have.

 

[Media_Truth]

We didn't take their oil. Guess it wasn't the reason to invade Iraq, was it?

Not for lack of effort. Google "Production Sharing Agreements IRAQ".

 

[longview]

Such circular argumentation.

You have never acknowleded the Fixed Fee that Utilities charge every customer, including Netmetering customers. You have never acknowledged that Utilities can raise Usage rates to make up the difference. You have never acknowledged that Utility CEOs can reduce their hefty bonuses.

With these financial tools, the Utilities can adapt, just like the phone companies have.

I have not acknowledge that the fixed fees can make up the difference, I do not think they come anywhere close,
but that was the only avenue available to the utility.
The problem is of legislative origin, and will require a legislative fix.
Usage rates (I.E. the cost they sell electricity for) cannot be increased under 1:1 net metering, as that increases
the value of the credit given to the net metered customers, which is the heart of the problem.
You are the one who implied CEO bonuses were a factor.

 

[Media_Truth]

I have not acknowledge that the fixed fees can make up the difference, I do not think they come anywhere close,
but that was the only avenue available to the utility.
The problem is of legislative origin, and will require a legislative fix.
Usage rates (I.E. the cost they sell electricity for) cannot be increased under 1:1 net metering, as that increases
the value of the credit given to the net metered customers, which is the heart of the problem.
You are the one who implied CEO bonuses were a factor.

Fixed fees can have a huge impact. When I confronted my Utility about rising Fixed Fees, I was told - "We are trying to fund all non-energy expenditures with the Fixed Fees". I get electricity from a Coop, so they buy their electricity, and resell it. That is a huge amount of money - enough to cover all their infrastructure, repairs, along with the salaries of all their workers. I shouldn't even continue, because this alone, is a key point. However, i will.

Regarding Usage Fees, If 1% of the customers have Netmetering. and they raise the Usage Fee 1 cent/KWH, they could easily make up the Netmetering difference and have 99% of the 1-cent increase as revenue. Two things to keep in mind here - first, most Netmetering systems aren't even designed to create a surplus. Second, if they do have a surplus, payouts are year-end, and they are very minimal. So this covers any surplus, and the Usage Fee covers all grid maintenance, equipment, and salaries. As you can see, Netmetering customers are paying!!!

You continue these circular arguments, and they aren't even an issue.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Utilities, and more importantly the customers of Utillty Companies, benefit greatly from Netmetering. I pointed out the obvious - less power plant construction, no voltage line loss; which hold down costs for everybody. If everybody started solar panels on their rooftops, that would be a wonderful thing. We aren't even close to that. As I mentioned, with my Utility, less than 1% of their customers are Netmetered.

For illustration, however, let's assume that many, many customers start installing PVs with Netmetering. This is no different than phone companies with land-lines. It is the company's responsibility to adapt. the music recording industry had to adapt to incredible changes in their markets.

Sunrun CEO: Why Utilities Are Attacking Net Metering | Greentech Media

According to Fenster, the APS head of renewable policy has acknowledged that distributed solar reduces the utility's need to build transmission and distribution infrastructure and therefore slows the utility's growth. “Every time solar puts a system on the grid, it basically privatizes the investment APS would have to incur on behalf of all ratepayers and have everybody pay for.”
...
But utilities could also be like the previous generation of phone companies. “Land-line phone companies make significantly less money, but none have gone bankrupt and service is still reliable. It has just been a change in market size, and they have weathered it,” Fenster said. “It could be the same for utilities. They would be less profitable but still reliable, and could survive as credit-worthy entities."

Or, he said, some might follow the lead of a recent PG&E management team that began investing in distributed solar. “They saw the future and wanted to be a part of it.”

Cherry picking of insignificant facts and hyping it as a significant one I see.

The media does that often.

 

[Media_Truth]

Cherry picking of insignificant facts and hyping it as a significant one I see.

The media does that often.

I posted a link. But you, the omniscient one, have no need to post links. You are the expert on all things...

 

[longview]

Fixed fees can have a huge impact. When I confronted my Utility about rising Fixed Fees, I was told - "We are trying to fund all non-energy expenditures with the Fixed Fees". I get electricity from a Coop, so they buy their electricity, and resell it. That is a huge amount of money - enough to cover all their infrastructure, repairs, along with the salaries of all their workers. I shouldn't even continue, because this alone, is a key point. However, i will.

Regarding Usage Fees, If 1% of the customers have Netmetering. and they raise the Usage Fee 1 cent/KWH, they could easily make up the Netmetering difference and have 99% of the 1-cent increase as revenue. Two things to keep in mind here - first, most Netmetering systems aren't even designed to create a surplus. Second, if they do have a surplus, payouts are year-end, and they are very minimal. So this covers any surplus, and the Usage Fee covers all grid maintenance, equipment, and salaries. As you can see, Netmetering customers are paying!!!

You continue these circular arguments, and they aren't even an issue.

You still do not understand the main point, every day if your system generates a single Kwh of surplus,
you get a retail value credit for 1 KWh, that you likely use that night.
The utility must take the kWh, you put in and sell it to one of your neighbors at the retail rate (ZERO gross profit).
Later that night when you redeem that credit, they still have to buy the kWH from somewhere.
If they raise the rate 1 cent/KWH, it changes the value of your credit as well, so they cannot increase the rate charge to fix the problem.
The utilities are regulated, and so have very few options open to them, one of them is the rate they can charge for grid connection.
FYI in my area the grid fees are separate from electricity provider, and the grid is charged at $.0408 /kWh, for everyone.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I posted a link. But you, the omniscient one, have no need to post links. You are the expert on all things...

I read it. Do you really buy into the BS presented?

haven't you learned by now how promoting something works? You hype the details that support something and iognor the inconvienent truths.

I'll bet other articles by Herman K. Trabish are tabloid level also.

 

[Media_Truth]

I read it. Do you really buy into the BS presented?

haven't you learned by now how promoting something works? You hype the details that support something and iognor the inconvienent truths.

I'll bet other articles by Herman K. Trabish are tabloid level also.

I've learned that you always talk off the top-of-your-head, with zero research.

 

[Media_Truth]

You still do not understand the main point, every day if your system generates a single Kwh of surplus,
you get a retail value credit for 1 KWh, that you likely use that night.
The utility must take the kWh, you put in and sell it to one of your neighbors at the retail rate (ZERO gross profit).
Later that night when you redeem that credit, they still have to buy the kWH from somewhere.
If they raise the rate 1 cent/KWH, it changes the value of your credit as well, so they cannot increase the rate charge to fix the problem.
The utilities are regulated, and so have very few options open to them, one of them is the rate they can charge for grid connection.
FYI in my area the grid fees are separate from electricity provider, and the grid is charged at $.0408 /kWh, for everyone.

You have cheap electricity. Your Utility should raise their Usage rate, so they can make more profit. And again, you have ignored everything I said. I pointed out the incredible amount of money that Utilities generate from Fixed Fees. Do gas stations charge Fixed Fees? How would you like to pay $20 before you start pumping your gas? They are basically taking money from Netmetering customers, even if they aren't using electricity. These are customers who are generating at peak hours, which save the Utilities another ton of money. You ignore every fact that's posted. Summary --->

1. Most Utilities in the US don't reimburse Net-Metering at the Retail Rate. They use the Wholesale rate.
2. Very few Netmetering customers generate surpluses. Most systems are undersized. They incur a monthly Usage Fee, and they pay the same rate as everybody else.
3. Netmetering customers pay Fixed Fees monthly.
4. Netmetering customers pay an Up-Front Netmetering fee.
5. Most Netmetering is Solar, which is a peak-load producer. This holds down costs for Utilities, and holds down rates for everybody.
6. Netmetering is Point-of-Source production. This holds down costs for Utilities. Voltage loss is a majore expense for Utilities - another feature which holds down rates for everybody.
7. Netmetering customers are an overwhelming minority for Utilities. For most Utilities the numbers add up to less than 1%.
8. Netmetering customers are not responsible for the Profit margins of Utility companies.
9. Netmetering customers spent a lot of their personal money on their systems.

Numbers 1 and 2 alone, render your whining totally unwarranted. Why don't you come up with a number? What percentage of Utilty customers are generating surpluses at the retail rate? My guess would be about 1 in every 1,000,000 customers. Kind of puts it in perspective, doesn't it?

 

[Media_Truth]

#10. Renewable customers improve the quality of life for everybody, by reducing airborne pollutants.
#11. Renewable customers improve the security of the world-wide community against the future impacts of climate change.

 

[Jack Hays]

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[h=1]‘Vacant Land Myth’: Hundreds Of US Localities Are Resisting The Spread Of Green Energy[/h][FONT=&quot]From The Daily Caller Michael Bastasch | Energy Editor U.S. cities and states have risen up against the spread of solar panels and wind turbines. One expert says at least 225 government entities across the U.S. have put up barriers to renewable energy development. Those supporting renewables rely on the “vacant-land myth” to push their…
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[Tim the plumber]

I've learned that you always talk off the top-of-your-head, with zero research.

And we have learned that you have no clue at all. See ice shelves and melting.

 

[Media_Truth]

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[h=1]‘Vacant Land Myth’: Hundreds Of US Localities Are Resisting The Spread Of Green Energy[/h][FONT="]From The Daily Caller Michael Bastasch | Energy Editor U.S. cities and states have risen up against the spread of solar panels and wind turbines. One expert says at least 225 government entities across the U.S. have put up barriers to renewable energy development. Those supporting renewables rely on the “vacant-land myth” to push their…
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What is the High Schooler's motivation in celebrating resistance to renewables? All the High Schooler mentions is something general about "Preserving a Way of Life". From what I know of electricity - A KiloWatt is a KiloWatt, regardless of the source. The article mentions something about rural people being against High Voltage Transmission Lines. Aren't High Voltage transmission lines required for any power source? I'm thinking that maybe the High Schooler is not only lacking education, but he's been drinking the Kool-Aid.

 

[Jack Hays]

What is the High Schooler's motivation in celebrating resistance to renewables? All the High Schooler mentions is something general about "Preserving a Way of Life". From what I know of electricity - A KiloWatt is a KiloWatt, regardless of the source. The article mentions something about rural people being against High Voltage Transmission Lines. Aren't High Voltage transmission lines required for any power source? I'm thinking that maybe the High Schooler is not only lacking education, but he's been drinking the Kool-Aid.

Watts had no role in the article.

"From New York to California, localities have taken action to stymie solar and wind energy projects to preserve their way of life, according to Manhattan Institute senior fellow Robert Bryce."

 

[Media_Truth]

Watts had no role in the article.

"From New York to California, localities have taken action to stymie solar and wind energy projects to preserve their way of life, according to Manhattan Institute senior fellow Robert Bryce."

I guess they like to pay more for electricity. Wind is more affordable than coal and nuclear. Rooftop Solar helps lower costs for everyone.