Most Americans Oppose Defuding Planned Parenthood

[Captain Adverse]

Rant all you want you Anti-Choice fanatics....

While anti-abortion activists are urging Congress to defund Planned Parenthood, a majority of Americans favor federal funding for the family planning provider, a series of recently released national polls show.

• According to a Quinnipiac University poll released Monday, 52 percent support federal funding for Planned Parenthood, compared with 41 percent who support defunding the organization.

• A New York Times/CBS News poll, also released Monday, found 55 percent of Americans favor federal funding for Planned Parenthood, while 36 percent do not.

• A Pew Research Center poll released the same day found 60 percent support federal funding for Planned Parenthood, versus 32 percent who want to eliminate such funding.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/most-americans-oppose-defunding-planned-parenthood-162813953.html


Like I've stated in other threads, all these video shenanigans from the anti-choice propagandists haven't changed many minds (if any) on this issue.

IMO that's because most people recognize the value of the services they provide to women dealing with this difficult choice.

 

[Ancient Herald]

I'm one of those people who oppose defunding Planned Parenthood.

You see, pro lifers only focus on the abortion aspect of the clinics. They never seem to understand that Planned Parenthood also provides other forms of medical services to women as well. They also don't seem to understand that not all clinics perform abortions too.

But who cares, right!

 

[David_N]

Breaking news, 2018: House republicans silently cry as absolutely nothing has popped up on PP.

 

[year2late]

I'm one of those people who oppose defunding Planned Parenthood.

You see, pro lifers only focus on the abortion aspect of the clinics. They never seem to understand that Planned Parenthood also provides other forms of medical services to women as well. They also don't seem to understand that not all clinics perform abortions too.

But who cares, right!

They actually have male patients as well.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Rant all you want you Anti-Choice fanatics....




https://www.yahoo.com/politics/most-americans-oppose-defunding-planned-parenthood-162813953.html


Like I've stated in other threads, all these video shenanigans from the anti-choice propagandists haven't changed many minds (if any) on this issue.

IMO that's because most people recognize the value of the services they provide to women dealing with this difficult choice.

What does Elmer Fud have to do with PP, and why would most people not be against Defuding them? Sorry, I'm really tired and getting silly. Please don't let this derail the thread.

As for the OP, I cannot get anyone to give me a serious answer to this - With ObamaCare and Medicaid, why would the government need to give money to PP? Don't the poor people that use PP also qualify for either one or the other, making that either ObamaCare of Medicaid the funding source? Wouldn't that be easier to just pay for PP's services through the insurance? What am I missing?

 

[Ancient Herald]

What does Elmer Fud have to do with PP, and why would most people not be against Defuding them? Sorry, I'm really tired and getting silly. Please don't let this derail the thread.

As for the OP, I cannot get anyone to give me a serious answer to this - With ObamaCare and Medicaid, why would the government need to give money to PP? Don't the poor people that use PP also qualify for either one or the other, making that either ObamaCare of Medicaid the funding source? Wouldn't that be easier to just pay for PP's services through the insurance? What am I missing?

Because not all government aid covers some of the services Planned Parenthood provides.

Here's an article for you to consider:

Here’s what happens if Congress ends funding for Planned Parenthood - The Washington Post

And by the way, after reading a few articles on this issue, I've personally come to believe that, once again, this is nto about any sort of real morality, but about money.

Somebody's after that five hundred million dollars that they get.

I'm going to be doing some research on this just to see who.

Always follow the money.

Not the morality or the rhetorical nonsense.

 

[Ancient Herald]

sorry, double psot

 

[pbrauer]

What does Elmer Fud have to do with PP, and why would most people not be against Defuding them? Sorry, I'm really tired and getting silly. Please don't let this derail the thread.

As for the OP, I cannot get anyone to give me a serious answer to this - With ObamaCare and Medicaid, why would the government need to give money to PP? Don't the poor people that use PP also qualify for either one or the other, making that either ObamaCare of Medicaid the funding source? Wouldn't that be easier to just pay for PP's services through the insurance? What am I missing?

You're missing the fact that neither Obamacare nor Medicaid are providers of healthcare, Planned Parenthood is a provider of healthcare.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Because not all government aid covers some of the services Planned Parenthood provides.

Here's an article for you to consider:

Here’s what happens if Congress ends funding for Planned Parenthood - The Washington Post

And by the way, after reading a few articles on this issue, I've personally come to believe that, once again, this is nto about any sort of real morality, but about money.

Somebody's after that five hundred million dollars that they get.

I'm going to be doing some research on this just to see who.

Always follow the money.

Not the morality or the rhetorical nonsense.

Thanks.

 

[Beaudreaux]

You're missing the fact that neither Obamacare nor Medicaid are providers of healthcare, Planned Parenthood is a provider of healthcare.

No, I'm not missing that. I said, wouldn't ObamaCare (the insurance polices as I said at the end) and Medicaid cover the costs, so that the Federal government wouldn't have to pay what would in essence be twice for the same services. I have no problem with people going to PP for services, I was just wondering why we needed to give them tax money when the people that go there could pay them with their ObamaCare insurance policy or Medicaid? See what I mean, now?

Ancient Herald has given me an article to read (which I will do when I am more awake) that may answer that for me.

 

[pbrauer]

No, I'm not missing that. I said, wouldn't ObamaCare (the insurance polices as I said at the end) and Medicaid cover the costs, so that the Federal government wouldn't have to pay what would in essence be twice for the same services. I have no problem with people going to PP for services, I was just wondering why we needed to give them tax money when the people that go there could pay them with their ObamaCare insurance policy or Medicaid? See what I mean, now?

Ancient Herald has given me an article to read (which I will do when I am more awake) that may answer that for me.

Nope. Who pays for PP employee salaries, free exams, condoms...

 

[joG]

Rant all you want you Anti-Choice fanatics....

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/most-americans-oppose-defunding-planned-parenthood-162813953.html

Like I've stated in other threads, all these video shenanigans from the anti-choice propagandists haven't changed many minds (if any) on this issue.

IMO that's because most people recognize the value of the services they provide to women dealing with this difficult choice.

Where is the problem? All PP needs to do is spin off the part of the country that does abortion without any cross ownership or personell. That would not change anything, if the abortion activities are not subsidized now. It is a large enough business at 330.000 to go it alone and could possibly go public.

 

[joG]

Nope. Who pays for PP employee salaries, free exams, condoms...

If PP cannot pay it's wages without subsidies or other payments out of the public till, it is quite easy, because government is not allowed to pay for abortion. So, if you are right they would be illegal.

 

[pbrauer]

If PP cannot pay it's wages without subsidies or other payments out of the public till, it is quite easy, because government is not allowed to pay for abortion. So, if you are right they would be illegal.

Abortions are not free.

 

[Ancient Herald]

If PP cannot pay it's wages without subsidies or other payments out of the public till, it is quite easy, because government is not allowed to pay for abortion. So, if you are right they would be illegal.

Huh?

Cam you give me a link to the actual laws that say that, please? Thank you.

Just remember though, it doesn't really matter what the American people want. the government is totally autonomous from them and can pretty much do what they want to.

 

[tres borrachos]

Rant all you want you Anti-Choice fanatics....




https://www.yahoo.com/politics/most-americans-oppose-defunding-planned-parenthood-162813953.html


Like I've stated in other threads, all these video shenanigans from the anti-choice propagandists haven't changed many minds (if any) on this issue.

IMO that's because most people recognize the value of the services they provide to women dealing with this difficult choice.

What does the value of abortion have to do with federal funding? Federal funds aren't supposed to be paying for abortions. Those are supposed to be privately funded.

 

[tres borrachos]

I'm one of those people who oppose defunding Planned Parenthood.

You see, pro lifers only focus on the abortion aspect of the clinics. They never seem to understand that Planned Parenthood also provides other forms of medical services to women as well. They also don't seem to understand that not all clinics perform abortions too.

But who cares, right!

Actually the Republican plan was to send the funding to other clinics and providers to continue to provide those services to low income women (and men). Nobody's medical services would no longer be available, and the government's money wouldn't be co-mingled with a group that provides abortion. By the way, I'm pro-choice, but I also don't believe taxpayers should be funding abortion.

I'm not sure you understand what the debate is about. Abortions would still be funded exactly as they are now, assuming that no federal funding is going towards abortion.

 

[Captain Adverse]

What does Elmer Fud have to do with PP, and why would most people not be against Defuding them? Sorry, I'm really tired and getting silly. Please don't let this derail the thread.

Sorry, I didn't even see that until you mentioned it. The only excuses I can offer is that it was very late, and I was rushing to get this posted before someone else beat me to it. This forum is so active that there have been a number of occasions where other members have beat me to the punch by posting an issue I had spent time preparing to post. :3oops:

 

[Captain Adverse]

Where is the problem? All PP needs to do is spin off the part of the country that does abortion without any cross ownership or personell. That would not change anything, if the abortion activities are not subsidized now. It is a large enough business at 330.000 to go it alone and could possibly go public.

It is not a "business." Businesses are created to make a profit.

This is a non-profit social service organization which provides free counseling on STD's, contraception, family planning, and abortion. It also does testing for STD's, gives out or provides low cost contraception, and provides low cost abortion surgery at authorized clinics.

I'm sure many anti-choice advocates would love to see it become a private for-profit business. That way they can hope the ever-increasing expense would deter many poor and/or young women from having an abortion, and the fact that a "greedy" for-profit organization would be easier to campaign against than one the public feels is providing a public service.

 

[cpwill]

Rant all you want you Anti-Choice fanatics....

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/most-americans-oppose-defunding-planned-parenthood-162813953.html

...most people recognize the value of the services they provide to women dealing with this difficult choice.

The 55% who oppose defunding PP are similar, perhaps to the 50-55% of Americans who don't even know that Planned Parenthood does abortions, much less that it performs more than 300,000 of them per year. It seems that most people don't even recognize what services they provide to women, likely at least in part because of a deliberate misinformation campaign on the part of PP to suggest that it does things like Mammograms.

Like I've stated in other threads, all these video shenanigans from the anti-choice propagandists haven't changed many minds (if any) on this issue.

They haven't been as effective as they would have been had they actually been covered, agreed, but I think you are incorrect that it's not part of changing minds.

 

[year2late]

If PP cannot pay it's wages without subsidies or other payments out of the public till, it is quite easy, because government is not allowed to pay for abortion. So, if you are right they would be illegal.

Ok, I will play. If any hospital cannot pay its wages without payments out of the public till, they should close.

What do you think about that?

 

[minnie616]

What does Elmer Fud have to do with PP, and why would most people not be against Defuding them? Sorry, I'm really tired and getting silly. Please don't let this derail the thread.

As for the OP, I cannot get anyone to give me a serious answer to this - With ObamaCare and Medicaid, why would the government need to give money to PP? Don't the poor people that use PP also qualify for either one or the other, making that either ObamaCare of Medicaid the funding source? Wouldn't that be easier to just pay for PP's services through the insurance? What am I missing?

Planned Parenthood is a Medicaid provider and is reimbursed for Medicaid services just as any other health clinic or private doctor that provides Medicaid services does.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Planned Parenthood is a Medicaid provider and is reimbursed for Medicaid services just as any other health clinic or private doctor that provides Medicaid services does.

Then why do they need extra money from the tax payer?

 

[pbrauer]

Planned Parenthood is a Medicaid provider and is reimbursed for Medicaid services just as any other health clinic or private doctor that provides Medicaid services does.

I tried to tell him that last night. Do you know where is the Elmer Fud reference id?

 

[pbrauer]

Then why do they need extra money from the tax payer?

Where do the costs for the salaries and shots, X-rays, tests come from?