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Would you care to explain how the individuals involved with the proposed mosque are the "enimies" of freedom?
And so I hit the nail firmly on the head. Whats your problem with me calling it like I see it and being correct?
You read the rest of the posts with myself and others already pointing it out correct?
Do you know the history of Wahhabism? Its a 20th century phenomenon, mostly most post- colonial. The Ottomans certainly weren't fundamentalists.
They certainly weren't tolerant either.
There is a difference. Christainity has gone through a reformation Islam has not.
Christains do not act violently in the name of there god.
They do not take the bible literaly.
Muslims are required to submit totally.
They must take the Quran literally because Allah is perfect and therefor allah is perfect. And if Allah demands that his followers kill infidels in holy war then as submitting believers, muslims must serve Allah by wageing jihad against infidels.
Its that simple. Ask a muslim if he or she can disregard the parts of the Quran they disagree with and still be considered a muslim?
I don't see how judging someone on their belief system is akin to bigotry, ones belief system is something they control unlike their skin color, ethnicity, nationality etc. By your reasoning one is a bigot for disliking Nazi's, Communists, members of the KKK etc.
You resorted to a ad-hominem logical fallacy by calling me a bigot, that hardly proves my point invalid.
Under Islam there is no freedom of religion, there is no freedom of speech, etc in fact the definition of the word Islam is submission IE Muslims view being a slave to god as a virtue.
They are muslim. There is no freedom under Islam only total submission to Allah. Therefor they are enimies of freedom. And when if ever there population increases in the United States to levels of majority there will be no freedom in the USA.
You. Don't. Get. It. Goshin.
9/11 was committed by bad people who happened to be extremist Muslim.
Many Muslims are not extremist, and did not condone the horrible act that happened on that bleak day in September.
Focus on the "bad" part, and not the "Muslim" part.
So what? It did not change the Bible.
That is an out and out lie.
Another lie.
Many Christians would tell you that is Heresy and blasphemy.
As are Christians.
"Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
Again many Christians would school you on the perfection of the Bible and how it is to be taken literally. If this was not the case, we would not have a museum that claims humans existed with dinosaurs. And it is not just a few Christians either.
Ask a born again Christian the same question.
Go ahead, make your list, and I will post one hundred stories of islamic terrorist who murdered innocents in the name of Allah.
I think it's been almost 9 freaking years, and if they aren't over their grief enough to be able to tolerate the sight of a mosque, they've got problems that "a little consideration" isn't going to be able to fix.
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Slavery in the USA ended about 150 years ago; some people are still bent out of shape over it. Witness the furor over the Confederate flag.
How many Christian suicide bombings, car bombings, school burnings, and plots to commit mass murder in the name of god have you heard of lately? Or even in the past 20 years?
How many Christains shout "god is great" before commiting murder of innocents?
How many Christains have said "god is great" before they filmed themselfs cutting of the head of an innocent contractor?
Go ahead, make your list, and I will post one hundred stories of islamic terrorist who murdered innocents in the name of Allah. NAd it will be easy for me to find them because they happen so often.
You sir are an appoligist for the evil that is Islam.
Originally Posted by SgtRock
Christains do not act violently in the name of there god.
That is an out and out lie.
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You say that if one form idiocy justifies another.
That said, are you saying that mosques are the symbol of Islamic militants? They're not. They're the symbol of Islam.
Get it straight.
From the historical perspective since the advent of islam during the 7th century, the conquest of islam (from medina to mecca and then swiping across to all of ME, Egypt, Spain, Persia and India like a wild fire) was marked by building of mosques over the sites of destructions of other religious temples or house of worship or hijacking them for conversion into mosques following the usual islamic great slaughters, rapes and plunders on other people’s lands.
This practice, which they held as a sense of victorious prestige over those subdued much like a dog would pee over its territorial claim, was unique only to animalistic islamic cult. Therefore, the building of "Cordoba House" mosque being built 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC is simply an islamic stealth way of proclaiming victory over their infidels, of whom 3000 such souls were killed. For that they were proud for doing a good job for their allah who demanded for such in the koran. Whatever else they said out of their mouth is just taqiyya, which most muslims are good at it.
Comparing islam and ground zero in 911 with Christianity and abortion clinics is a fallacy of false comparison. Those 3000 souls killed by the islamic terrorism weren’t in the twin towers to slaughter innocent unborn babies. Abortionists in abortion clinics are in there to slaughter innocent unborn human lives. Killing someone who is killing or about to kill another innocent human being is not the same as killing people who simply go to work that do not involve the shedding of innocent bloods.
Yes, and in my opinion, building a symbol of Islam within sight of Ground Zero, where 3000 Americans died at the hands of terrorists who were acting in the name of Islam, is in poor taste, unwise, and imprudent.
It's a question of scale. In modern times it is exceedingly rare for Christians to commit violence in the name of Christianity.
Tim McVeigh acted in retaliation for the Waco massacre; the Branch Davidians were not really a Christian organization, imo. At best they were a fringe group that differed dramatically from mainstream Christianity.
Eric Rudolph, the abortion clinic bomber, apparently isn't a Christian. I've read some of his correspondence and it is pretty clear that he isn't.
The more recent murder of the abortion doctor, yes that guy apparently was a Christian and believed he was acting in God's name. Condemnation of his action by many Christian leaders was swift and firm.
We remember these incidents and those who committed them...because of their rarity. Can anyone here name the last 10 Islamic suicide bombers off the top of their head?
I did some research on this a few months ago. Over the past three decades, acts of terrorism committed in the name of Christianity were were very small, IIRC I think there were seven in which people died. Acts of terrorism in the name of Islam were in the thousands.
It's like comparing firecrackers and nuclear bombs. In the one case, we're talking about a literal handful of fringe extremists that are roundly condemned by their religious leaders. On the other side, we're talking about thousands of terrorists who appear to garner the sympathy if not support of millions of their co-religionists.
It simply isn't comparable.
They were more tolerant on many social issues that modern fundamentalists. For example, homosexuality wasn't persecuted and woman were treated better.
Most importantly, the Ottomans allowed for relatively large amounts of religious freedom.
Well lets define the term "bigotry"...
"1.stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
Yep that covers it.
Not according to the dictionary.
Even if you're right, in places like America, people can freely choose to be Muslim or not, and Muslims co-exist peacefully with non-believers.
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