Rapunzel52
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Thanks Obama for taking out our ally and supporting the Arab Spring and now we have a dictator worse than the other dictator. At least Mubarak kept the peace with Israel.
Hard to believe the Egyptian people voted this guy in. They live in the ME and didn't realize what the MB stood for??? Are you kidding me??? Guess it's like the American people voting Obama back in...they have no idea what they are in for.
Wonder when we'll hear from Obama about this power grab?? Never??? That's about it. I think he's too busy playing golf and getting ready for his Hawaii vacation.
I would take Morsi any day before Mubarak. At least Morsi was elected in an election... Sure Morsi isnt perfect but a hell of a lot better than Mubarak. And plus new democracies arent the celanist of practices.Thanks Obama for taking out our ally and supporting the Arab Spring and now we have a dictator worse than the other dictator. At least Mubarak kept the peace with Israel.
You do realize that there is large part of the Egyptian population that does agree with Morsi and still stand by him right?Hard to believe the Egyptian people voted this guy in. They live in the ME and didn't realize what the MB stood for??? Are you kidding me???
Good one :neutral:Guess it's like the American people voting Obama back in...they have no idea what they are in for.
I would take Morsi any day before Mubarak. At least Morsi was elected in an election... Sure Morsi isnt perfect but a hell of a lot better than Mubarak. And plus new democracies arent the celanist of practices.
Also Egypt is still at peace with Israel.
You do realize that there is large part of the Egyptian population that does agree with Morsi and still stand by him right?
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Good one :neutral:
Obama was very vocal in his support of protesters trying to oust Mubarak, why so quiet now I wonder?
This is all going purdy much as I predicted.
Morsi is anti-American, so that makes him a good guy in Obama's book.
Hey, I could actually care less about freaking Egypt. I only care about the well being of Israel. If they leave them alone they can have Sharia Law up the ****ing ying yang as far as I care. They can beat, whip, mutilate, stone, behead each other all they want.
The difference being Mubarak was pushed out overwhelmingly due to pressures from the Egyptian people with the backing of the international community at large, and the democratic movement that was sweeping the region as a whole. Incomparable really.During the Iraq war, all we heard was "why go after Hussein?" and "we had him where we wanted, so why push it?"
I can't help but think the same thing about Mubarek and Egypt. Did Obama really think the Muslim Brotherhood were any other way than how they've been? If so, he's more gullible than I thought.
Obama made the same mistake Bush did in Iraq IMHO. You cannot rid yourself of all the people who are in charge of government services and expect people to be happy when they are free to sit in the dark, hungry. He (as in his administration) really should have shown some more hands on leadership to assist in a transition from Mubarak. Patriarchal societies do not evolve overnight.
The difference being Mubarak was pushed out overwhelmingly due to pressures from the Egyptian people with the backing of the international community at large, and the democratic movement that was sweeping the region as a whole. Incomparable really.
Obama didn't oust Mubarak. The Egyptian people and generals did. Besides, Morsi, authoritarian dick that he is, helped negotiate the ceasefire between Gaza and Israel. Things between Israel and Egypt are not going back to what they were under Mubarak, but the current government hasn't really threatened Israel.
The MB stand for a lot of things besides Islamism. Most Egyptians care about jobs and ending corruption. The MB built its platform on both. Under Mubarak the MB was probably the best organized political movement outside of the government. They built hospitals and schools, led unions, and provided many services to the poor that the government did not. Since the revolution, the MB has tried to show itself as the most moderate Islamist party, promising relative equality for women and religious minorities, and focusing on creating a more pluralistic state than the military did. It also didn't hurt that the liberal parties were badly divided and squabbling.
Obviously, they were no liberals, and their rise troubled me, and should have troubled anyone interested in personal liberty. But my hope was that they wouldn't overplay their hand. Even now, Morsi's power grab seems to be borne out of frustration with much of the old elite remaining in power, not some desire to emulate the Taliban. Yeah, Islamists suck, and Morsi's a dick, but Egyptian politics are pretty complex.
Obama is largely irrelevant to this whole thing. Obama supported Mubarak until it became apparent that he was getting kicked out sooner rather than later. The administration had nothing to do with the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood. Not everything in the world is our doing.
Morsi is anti-American, so that makes him a good guy in Obama's book.
How many troops did we lose in taking out Mubarak again? You know, sometimes **** happens. The Egyptian revolution was going to take place without any involvement from us. Of course, we could have poured thousands of troops into Egypt and slaughtered those demanding his ouster. Apparently that's what the chicken hawk neo-cons wanted.
A word of support for an orderly transition from the POTUS carries as much weight as "Mubarak must go" and costs zero lives. A word of support for the military in Egypt to help stand up a more moderate government might have helped too. Wonder what all those CIA agents were doing in Benghazi with weapons depots? Hummm......
He is also anti Israel, another plus in berry's book.
Every Arab leader is anti-Israel. Israel is a big boy and can take it.
I'm afraid one of the things about democracy is that people get to make their own foreign policy. Get used to it. The days of GOP presidents supporting dictators is over.
Yeah, now it's the Democrats that do that.
In your fantasy world.
What happened to Bush's friend in Libya? Gone.
What happened to Mubarak. Gone.
What is happening to Assad. Soon to be gone.
All on Obama's watch and all without spending trillions and invading countries and making enemies.
See, grownups know how to do this. Conservatives don't.
Every Arab leader is anti-Israel. Israel is a big boy and can take it.
I'm afraid one of the things about democracy is that people get to make their own foreign policy. Get used to it. The days of GOP presidents supporting dictators is over.
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