According to the Financial Times, a 15-point plan to end the fighting has been drawn up.
This includes a ceasefire and a Russian withdrawal, with Kyiv having to accept neutrality and curbs on its armed forces.
Citing three sources involved in the negotiations, the FT said Ukraine would have to give up its bid to join NATO - something Mr Zelenskyy has already hinted at.
Ukraine war: Reports '15-point' peace deal being 'seriously discussed' as Putin says he's 'ready to talk'
Sergei Lavrov said some formulations for an agreement are near completion, with neutral status for Kyiv under "serious" consideration.news.sky.com
Let's hope they can thrash things out and end the war.
And would be agreed upon at the point of a gun, making any agreement signed void as far as I'm concerned. Zelensky ought to swear Ukraine will never join NATO, sign a treaty promising such, get Russia to remove their troops, and then backchannel like crazy for expedited NATO membership ASAP. **** any agreement he makes with Putin or Russia.Anything Russia gets in negotiation is extortion, paid because our geopolitical interests do not extend to engaging in hot war with Russia for a non-NATO member.
If this goes anywhere it's because NATO and The U.S. came together, flooding Ukraine with enough weaponry, communications, and technology, to stymie Putin to the point he now fears Ukraine & the West may turn him back & keep going!
Putin only understands strength & power!
Putin (and Russia) are now in a trap. There is no way they can win. They can continue to destroy Ukraine and end all hope that Russia will be able to regain any legitimacy among civilized nations for generations. Russia will become a client state of China with the standard of living of North Korea. Or they can depose Putin, give up their nuclear arsenal, and begin progress to become a normal democratic European country.The fear I have is that the US doesn't want this war to end and will keep adding fuel to the fire in a bid to keep it ongoing
" Keep going"? to where exactly?
Why do you fear that and not Putin's invasion of Ukraine?The fear I have is that the US doesn't want this war to end and will keep adding fuel to the fire in a bid to keep it ongoing
" Keep going"? to where exactly?
I don’t see Ukraine accepting a curbing of its armed forces. Agreeing to neutrality is probably on the table though.
At the moment Ukraine is holding its own, and then some. It's advantages are in the medium term, when sanctions really bite hard and Ukraine gets improved weapons. In the long term its difficult to predict. Russia may run out of steam in less than a week, but it is also shipping in Syrians and other mercenaries... perhaps as many as 100 per day (or more). In 20 or 30 days, things may look quite different.
Whatever chance Ukraine has it is imperative that Americans and western peoples keep pressure on their respective governments to do more as quickly as possible. To gain an advantage before a deal is agreed to gives Ukraine negotiating leverage.
I agree. Tell the Russians what they want to hear. Then rebuild your military and quietly join NATO then tell Putin you changed your mind .And would be agreed upon at the point of a gun, making any agreement signed void as far as I'm concerned. Zelensky ought to swear Ukraine will never join NATO, sign a treaty promising such, get Russia to remove their troops, and then backchannel like crazy for expedited NATO membership ASAP. **** any agreement he makes with Putin or Russia.
Putin has stepped in it and he knows it. Most likely he'll go full scorched earth now rather than seek any kind of agreement. Such is life and pity his many victims to come.
The fear I have is that the US doesn't want this war to end and will keep adding fuel to the fire in a bid to keep it ongoing
" Keep going"? to where exactly?
Putin (and Russia) are now in a trap. There is no way they can win. They can continue to destroy Ukraine and end all hope that Russia will be able to regain any legitimacy among civilized nations for generations. Russia will become a client state of China with the standard of living of North Korea. Or they can depose Putin, give up their nuclear arsenal, and begin progress to become a normal democratic European country.
Why do you fear that and not Putin's invasion of Ukraine?
Or Putin's bombing of civilian areas intentionally?
Or when Putin stops the war he started?
We all know why you never focus on those things....
They knew there was no way they could " win" in Ukraine from a military perspective. Did you win in the illegal wars you fought against Iraq and Afghanistan? Nope.
So you expect Russia to now give up its nukes unilaterally lol and become one of the " normal democratic European countries" who have engaged in illegal wars all over the world and destroyed entire countries themselves?
You might want to step out of that western centric bubble you inhabit it is preventing you from seeing in 20 20
Because Putins invasion, as illegal and horrific as it is, is directed at one nation on it's border who has become a defacto NATO member , joining a military alliance that has always had Russia as its enemy. The reality is that Ukraine V Russia doesn't really present the threat of a nuclear exchange whereas a NATO Russia one does
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See above
Why would I fear an end to the war. Evidently you don't read the posts you choose to reply to. That;s understandable and explains a lot about your postings themselves
" We " are you having an episode?
You " know" nothing because you don't read other peoples posts nor understand that your accusations are built on a McCarthyist like hysteria not facts
They knew there was no way they could " win" in Ukraine from a military perspective. Did you win in the illegal wars you fought against Iraq and Afghanistan? Nope.
So you expect Russia to now give up its nukes unilaterally lol and become one of the " normal democratic European countries" who have engaged in illegal wars all over the world and destroyed entire countries themselves?
You might want to step out of that western centric bubble you inhabit it is preventing you from seeing in 20 20
Then you see Russia's decline into a North Korea like satellite of China as inevitable? Because the West will not forgive Putin.They knew there was no way they could " win" in Ukraine from a military perspective. Did you win in the illegal wars you fought against Iraq and Afghanistan? Nope.
So you expect Russia to now give up its nukes unilaterally lol and become one of the " normal democratic European countries" who have engaged in illegal wars all over the world and destroyed entire countries themselves?
You might want to step out of that western centric bubble you inhabit it is preventing you from seeing in 20 20
I think the bubble they're in is 1950, or further back in time.
There is no negotiations with terrorists, get the **** our of Ukraine and **** off is the only negotiation, since Ukraine didn't do anything to Russia accept not suck Putin's dick
And also, Russia must pay Ukraine to fix the damage they caused.
It is like that imo
The Cold War mentality is alive and kicking here at debate politics, much to its ,and the ones that cannot let go of it , detriment
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