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That's more what I would assume was the reality, from past experiences with Peter's arguments.
Well you missed and shot your own foot.
OK, suppose you're right. Then the question becomes.... why? Why do drug users choose prostitution as a profession, more than other people? Why do sufferers of psychological problems choose prostitution as a profession, more than other people?
What barrier exists that would cause most normal people to avoid prostitution, whereas drug users and the mentally ill do not?
The average woman simply does not go out and decide to become a prostitute.
Here is my answer: prostitution is demeaning. It kills self-esteem. If someone goes in to the profession, it kills their self-esteem. If they have no self-esteem to begin with (drug dealers or mentally ill), they have less of a problem resorting to prostitution.
Either way, the profession is destructive to the prostitute.
I am sorry, but are you really asking why drug users go into prostitution? Try money, drugs are not cheap. To get money for drugs scores of people go into crime (getting into dealing themselves or stealing and other crimes), beg money or go into prostitution.
People with low self esteem are preyed upon by ruthless criminals to force or entice them into prostitution. People with psychological problems often have low self esteem.
Poverty can also force people into prostitution.
And you are partly right, sometimes women just get into prostitution and for most it does kill their self-esteem but I think it is logical that people with dependency issues, child abuse (especially sexual), alcohol, broken homes, getting the wrong attention from men etc. etc. etc. can contribute or even cause people to go into prostitution. All the problems you state as the result of prostitution are often found prior to women going into prostitution to begin with.
Im starting to think you are just airing a strange fetish.
Hookers kill themselves because it's illegal?
Again as in the other thread, why should it be illegal to sell anything you can give away for free?
If that's an attempt to embarrass me, it won't work. Good try though.
This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.
Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting. Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?
Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."
Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.
What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?
What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?
Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?
I havent seen the other thread. But to answer your question: Its because just simply stating that it ought to be legal is a oversimplified position.
Prostitution for example can pose a big health issue if left alone. Selling body parts could become very corrupted to say the least. So at the very least there should be laws that regulate the trade of such things. Notice that I havent asserted a position that claims that complete prohibition of either practice out to be enforced. I have just been raising concerns with the concept of unfettered trade in either prostitution or organ trade. If there isnt any laws regulating such business then certainly someone will be exploited. ANd in both cases we are talking about the possibility of severe exploitation more so then most any other type of business interaction. Such a potential for corruption should be looked at quite closely in such topics.
I am sorry, but are you really asking why drug users go into prostitution? Try money, drugs are not cheap. To get money for drugs scores of people go into crime (getting into dealing themselves or stealing and other crimes), beg money or go into prostitution.
People with low self esteem are preyed upon by ruthless criminals to force or entice them into prostitution. People with psychological problems often have low self esteem.
Poverty can also force people into prostitution.
And you are partly right, sometimes women just get into prostitution and for most it does kill their self-esteem but I think it is logical that people with dependency issues, child abuse (especially sexual), alcohol, broken homes, getting the wrong attention from men etc. etc. etc. can contribute or even cause people to go into prostitution. All the problems you state as the result of prostitution are often found prior to women going into prostitution to begin with.
I'm fine with the billionaire paying people to have their eyes removed as long as they're able to give informed consent. If they're mentally ill, senile, or under the effects of drugs or alcohol, that's not okay, and I believe it would render any legal contract between them null and void anyway.
This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.
Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting.
Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?
Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."
Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.
What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?
What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?
Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?
Human organ trade is illegal.
But should it be that way? Should we really be allowed to take advantage of each other in such a way? I think we need to acknowledge that certain people in society are more vulnerable than others, and offer them some sort of protection.
What liberty do they really have, if they're so desperate for money that they would sell their gift of sight?
This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.
Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting. Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?
Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."
Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.
What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?
What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?
Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?
We know prostitution causes a wide array of psychological problems (to see some of the data, I'd redirect you back to the original thread where I've posted some). It's not simply an incidental relationship - real people are actually getting hurt, even dying, every day as a result.
In a sense, Johns are like the sadist in my example: they don't care if they are hurting someone else, as long as they get their pleasure out of the experience. However, the pleasure they derive is far outweighed by the pain derived by the victim (the prostitute).
Taking away choice is immoral. The only ones that need protecting are those that legally cannot consent due to being underage or retarded.
Taking away choice is immoral. The only ones that need protecting are those that legally cannot consent due to being underage or retarded.
Make it legal and Johns have no where near the power they have now. Right now they can beat a woman up and she dare not go to the police. That's where most of the psychological problems derive from. The Johns having all the power and the prostitutes having none.
Should it be legal to pay someone to torture puppies?
Make it legal and Johns have no where near the power they have now. Right now they can beat a woman up and she dare not go to the police. That's where most of the psychological problems derive from. The Johns having all the power and the prostitutes having none.
This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.
Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting.
Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?
Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."
Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.
What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?
What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?
Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?
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