Hoot
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vauge said:[mod mode]
Moved from polls to here for topical reasons and there was no poll.
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I can assure you that suspensions and bans are never ever done on *in the fly* or in a biased nature. As lead moderator, owner and admin; I can't stand specific rules. I abhore suspensions and bans - hard to believe yet it is very true. Per our rules we do not have to explain why we ever ban or take action on anyone, but in this case I will lightly touch it.
The person you are refering has a *very* long record of dissonance within the forum. Many many of his/her posts have become attacking rather than discussion or debate. In this case, it is very true that it would be hard to find a singular thread or post that would warrant this significant action. But, every mod action has been archived in the mod forum. Everything has a limit, and his/her limit was reached.
"Granted, decorum must be maintained to keep this forum an enjoyable experience, but indiscriminate dismissal is not the answer."
You could simply not be more correct. This action was not without merit, and not without substantial warnings. This action was discussed and *debated* by our mod team before final action was taken.
"Perhaps some of these monitors, who live online 24/7, need to take a step back and regain some perspective on just what objectionable material means? Because everyone has been guilty of this and everyone has different standards."
Absolutely! We try our best to make every mod action as objective as possible. Before this specific action; warnings and personal requests were made specifically by mulitple parties.
Hoot said:Thanks for the reply, Vague.
I'd be interested to know the political leanings of the mods.
You may not believe this is applicable, but I believe it is.
I don't expect names, but if there are 10 mods, perhaps 6 lean to the right, with 4 leaning left? You know...that sort of thing.
To be honest, the only ones in these forums who seems to remain bipartisan and impartial are Simon and Pacridge...just my own personal opinion.
So....I guess it's ok if I commit libel and call Clinton a rapist, or Bush a liar, or Cindy Sheehan a traitor, or Delay a crook...as long as I don't direct personal attacks to members of this forum?
Here is "Veiw Forum Leaders" from the front page. It has been updated to reflect the political affiliated or non-affiliated mods. We actually swing more unaffiliated and left.Hoot said:Thanks for the reply, Vague.
I'd be interested to know the political leanings of the mods.
You may not believe this is applicable, but I believe it is.
I don't expect names, but if there are 10 mods, perhaps 6 lean to the right, with 4 leaning left? You know...that sort of thing.
To be honest, the only ones in these forums who seems to remain bipartisan and impartial are Simon and Pacridge...just my own personal opinion.
So....I guess it's ok if I commit libel and call Clinton a rapist, or Bush a liar, or Cindy Sheehan a traitor, or Delay a crook...as long as I don't direct personal attacks to members of this forum?
Hoot said:It's been over a week now, and I haven't been back here much because of the holidays...it's one of the busiest times of the year with my job, anyway....
I don't see any posts from 26X's, Navy pride, and KC Conservative.
Hoot said:It's been over a week now, and I haven't been back here much because of the holidays...it's one of the busiest times of the year with my job, anyway....
I don't see any posts from 26X's, Navy pride, and KC Conservative.
For those of you that may not know, they were banned for a week for making personal attacks, within their debate style, against other members.
So...I'm afraid we've quite possibly lost 3 entertaining posters...regardless of your political persuasion, this is a loss for this site.
There must be another solution? Perhaps if the one who is being personally attacked does not take any offense or lodge any complaints, then the moderators should not take any extreme action? And stay out of it?
In the past, Stinger and I had some robust arguments where we both lost a bit of control and typed things that could be construed as personal insults, however, I would never think of fileing a complaint and asking for a week of banning!?
Also...I believe that anyone in this membership who makes a habit of running home to Mommy and complaining about someone's comments should go to the top of the potential ban list. Grow up or get off the debate board.
As long as outright cursing..4 letter words...etc..are not involved, and as long as the one who is attacked files no complaint, I do not believe the mods should get involved.
If your sensibilities are offended so easily, then you shouldn't be on a debate site.
tecoyah said:If indeed...you feel insults are an inherent part of debate, there are several Dozen sites that certainly can fill the criteria you require. This one has managed not to become a flamefest primarily due to the moderation of its membership. If for some reason you feel these Temp Bans were inappropriate....welcome to the real world Neo. Having some experience in this regard I actually find the Moderation here quite lenient, and VERY condusive to mature debate.
It takes much work to stabalize a Politics forum.....you should try it sometime.
AlbqOwl said:I adopted DebatePolitics as my on line home partly because of the quality of debate on some forums and mostly because there is an effort to keep things civil here. The immature know nothings who can't articulate an opinion without being insulting are here as they are everywhere on the internet, but DebatePolitics also is blessed with a number of members who post informed, thoughtful, and well thought out arguments that are much appreciated.
And before somebody points it out, yes I have been provoked into making an uncomplimentary personal observation here and there and will take my lumps for that. I do try very hard to not fall into that trap and I think most of the good debaters on the forum also have good records on that score.
I very much appreciate the mods who come into cool the flames when things get out of hand and the insults start flying. If this board should dissolve into another flame throwing site where intelligent conversation is largely squelched, then I think several members will be gone because it will be like hundreds of others where the kids think personally directed insults are an effective argument. ("Kids" in this reference is not intended to be age specific.)
tecoyah said:If indeed...you feel insults are an inherent part of debate, there are several Dozen sites that certainly can fill the criteria you require. This one has managed not to become a flamefest primarily due to the moderation of its membership. If for some reason you feel these Temp Bans were inappropriate....welcome to the real world Neo. Having some experience in this regard I actually find the Moderation here quite lenient, and VERY condusive to mature debate.
It takes much work to stabalize a Politics forum.....you should try it sometime.
galenrox said:yeah dude, we try really hard to make sure we check each other enough to make sure no one abuses their authority.
Like, you and I have gotten in quite a few epic and heated arguments, and if, in one of these situations, you called me a name, I wouldn't moderate that situation, due to the conflict of interest (not neccisarily always the case, but for the most part), and if I called you a name, all you'd have to do is report it, and other mods would evaluate what I said.
I think the main part is people love this place for a reason, and every mod loves this forum fanatically for those same reasons, which is the quality of debate fostered by certain rules that we have, and so it's a big deal to keep the mods in check too, cause the use of moderation to stifle opinions and debate points would only weaken the quality of this forum.
Actually, I was tossed for copying and pasting one of my posts into multiple threads. There were 6 different threads on the same subject and so I thought I was making life simpler. At least, that is the reason I was given. It was interesting, though, because after I returned, all of those threads had been merged into one.Hoot said:It's been over a week now, and I haven't been back here much because of the holidays...it's one of the busiest times of the year with my job, anyway....
I don't see any posts from 26X's, Navy pride, and KC Conservative.
For those of you that may not know, they were banned for a week for making personal attacks, within their debate style, against other members.
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