Mitt Romney, may have profitted from Abortions

[Thunder]

I have heard estimates of about 11 million. But again, Jewish people are a minority, and we're only talking about the population in mostly Eastern Europe and parts of the North Western Europe. According to wiki there were only 9 million Jewish people in Europe before the Holocaust, and 2/3rds of them died.

11 million, actually.

 

[mac]

I have heard estimates of about 11 million. But again, Jewish people are a minority, and we're only talking about the population in mostly Eastern Europe and parts of the North Western Europe. According to wiki there were only 9 million Jewish people in Europe before the Holocaust, and 2/3rds of them died.

The high estimates are 6 million Jews, and 11 million others. (gypsies, poles, homosexuals, etc)

 

[mac]

11 million, actually.

That's the low estimate for overall deaths. Not just Jews.

 

[Thunder]

That's the low estimate for overall deaths. Not just Jews.

You're confused.


I am talking about Jews in Europe, NOT deaths.

 

[mac]

You're confused.


I am talking about Jews in Europe, NOT deaths.

The high estimate for Jewish deaths resulting from the holocaust is 6 million. The high estimate for other than jews is 11 million, for a total of 17 million. Combat deaths are not included.

It is you that is confused. You should educate yourself on the side while you debate, again.

 

[Thunder]

The high estimate for Jewish deaths resulting from the holocaust is 6 million. The high estimate for other than jews is 11 million, for a total of 17 million. Combat deaths are not included.

It is you that is confused. You should educate yourself on the side while you debate, again.

you're still confused, as I was responding to YOUR statement about the total number of Jews in Europe before the Shoah...which is around 11 million.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Then you understand the word applies to abortion. Good, hun.

No, it does not as the criminal code specifically says a child becomes a human being upon live birth.

222. Homicide


222. (1) A person commits homicide when, directly or indirectly, by any means, he causes the death of a human being.
(part about culpable and not culpable snipped)

223. When child becomes human being


223. (1) A child becomes a human being within the meaning of this Act when it has completely proceeded, in a living state, from the body of its mother, whether or not

(a) it has breathed;

(b) it has an independent circulation; or

(c) the navel string is severed.

Killing child

(2) A person commits homicide when he causes injury to a child before or during its birth as a result of which the child dies after becoming a human being.



R.S., c. C-34, s. 206.

223. When child becomes human being | Criminal Code of Canada

It is very evident from this that the unborn is not a human being under the laws of my country, therefore abortion is not homicide.

 

[mac]

you're still confused, as I was responding to YOUR statement about the total number of Jews in Europe before the Shoah...which is around 11 million.

I never made a statement about the total number of Jews in Europe at any time.

 

[mac]

No, it does not as the criminal code specifically says a child becomes a human being upon live birth.

222. Homicide

The Canadian civil code. Regardless, for the sake of this particular argument, it doesn't matter when it becomes a human being or how that is defined. It is still a human, and it is killed by another human. Homicide.

 

[Babylon_Drifter]

this issue is a big ass stretch.

holding Mitt accountable for supporting abortion because his company invested in another company who specializes in medical waste disposal is kinda like holding a funeral home accountable for the murder of a victim they buried.

The analogy would make sense if the funeral home had made it a public habit to murder the people they buried. Then Mitt would be responsible for profiting from that.

Mitt is a politician, he should have been savvy enough to think twice before investing in a company that profits from abortion. Fortunately, for Mitt, I see many of the "lifers" here will give him a free pass on this.

 

[Thunder]

The Canadian civil code. Regardless, for the sake of this particular argument, it doesn't matter when it becomes a human being or how that is defined. It is still a human, and it is killed by another human. Homicide.

no, a 3-day old zygote is not a human being.

it is a homo sapien sapien, yes...just as a red oak acorn is a Quercus rubra. But it is NOT a red oak tree..just as a zygote is not a human being.

 

[Babylon_Drifter]

So should people boycott the morgues and medical examiners who handle the remains of those killed by serial killers or other murderers?

Only if the murderers paid the medical examiners to handle the remains and expose of them.

 

[mac]

no, a 3-day old zygote is not a human being.

it is a homo sapien sapien, yes...just as a red oak acorn is a Quercus rubra. But it is NOT a red oak tree..just as a zygote is not a human being.

A living, growing homo sapien is nothing other than a human.

 

[Babylon_Drifter]

Holy desperation, spinman.

Only the desperate would try to shift the topic to the messenger instead of the message. Nice try though.

 

[Thunder]

A living, growing homo sapien is nothing other than a human.

a human being is a person.

zygotes are not human beings or persons.

they are simply homo sapien-sapiens with the possibility of becoming a person & a human being.

 

[mac]

Only the desperate would try to shift the topic to the messenger instead of the message. Nice try though.

Nah. The connection between Romney and "Abortion profiteering" is little more than wishful thinking of the partisan.

 

[mac]

a human being is a person.

zygotes are not human beings or persons.

they are simply homo sapien-sapiens with the possibility of becoming a person & a human being.

Person is subjective, and irrelevant. A human is a human.

 

[Thunder]

Person is subjective, and irrelevant. A human is a human.

well, I'm gonna follow CaptainCourtesy's lead on this and simply state that a 3-day old Zygote is certainly not a person.

 

[mac]

well, I'm gonna follow CaptainCourtesy's lead on this and simply state that a 3-day old Zygote is certainly not a person.

Whether that's true or not is debatable, but has no bearing on whether or not it is a human.

 

[Removable Mind]

I love how people make up their own definitions in a lame attempt to twist and manipulate perceptions of moral principals that have been used to develop laws.

Human reproductive cells created by the joining of human males and female can't produce anything less than a "POTENTIAL" human being. But those early developing human cells DO NOT automatically create a PERSON!

 

[Thunder]

Whether that's true or not is debatable, but has no bearing on whether or not it is a human.

persons get rights.

potential persons...dont.

 

[Dezaad]

The weakness of this argument is that there are no mass abortions. There are merely a great many individual abortions sought by individual women and performed by individual doctors. Mass murder means killing en masse. For example, at Nanjing, Japanese soldiers lined up Chinese prisoners by a river and then killed them all together. That was mass murder during war. The Nazis told the Jews in a concentration camp to all go in the supposed shower room for a shower. When they were all in there, the Nazis locked the door and turned on the gas, which issued into the room and killed all the Jews in there together. That is mass murder. No abortions are done en masse and no individual women get together first and go in gangs together to abortion clinics and ask doctors to perform abortions together. Get it? The statistics on abortion are not sufficient for you to talk even about mass abortions because abortions are sought and performed on an individual basis.

It is mostly pro-lifers that make the claims using statistics. I've never really cared, myself, so I don't know how reliable they are.

Aside from that, excellent point. But, if the same thing was happening in society on, say, ten year olds (people were occasionally going and having their ten year old gassed, and it amounted to the same number of abortions performed), what would we call a thing like that happening on that kind of scale?

 

[Dezaad]

Your argument is fallacious on it's face because it relies on redefining words. The slippery slope previously mentioned is the same as "legal SSM will lead to legal polygamy and legal Man/beast relationships." A slippery slope is a slippery slope. You cannot know with certainty what any of this will "lead to".

It relies on changing a definition? Or uses a word for a definition as a matter of convenience? Please demonstrate how the argument "relies" on the change in definition.

 

[mac]

I love how people make up their own definitions in a lame attempt to twist and manipulate perceptions of moral principals that have been used to develop laws.

Human reproductive cells created by the joining of human males and female can't produce anything less than a "POTENTIAL" human being. But those early developing human cells DO NOT automatically create a PERSON!

Human reproductive cells once joined are no longer human reproductive cells. At the moment of their "joining" they create a living organism. That organism is a human.

 

[mac]

persons get rights.

potential persons...dont.

Right. The concept of person is little more than a mechanism of discrimination.