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Missouri Lawmaker Seeks To Stop Residents From Obtaining Abortions Out Of State

That works.

Know who else has 100% human DNA?

Unborn babies.

And...the rest of your posting is mere repetition of arguments you've already presented and lost, and I don't like swirlies. You're done with me.
Your argument completely fails since the only one that claims the unborn have rights are you and the religious fundies. And we all know that Americans are not obligated to submit to others' religious beliefs.

So, you're going to have to source some authority, that Americans are obligated to follow, that recognizes rights for the unborn. LOL no one's taking your word for it. 🤷

Source where the unborn have any rights recognized?​
Show me where 'science' does then?​
Since rights, laws, morality, value, etc are all subjective man-made concepts, objective science never even acknowledges any of those things.​
 
I say it's wrong.


Then don't abort if you find yourself pregnant. Leave the rest of us alone to make our own choices.
And abortion is wrong for the simple reason that babies are not supposed to be murdered.

It's illegal to murder babies in my country.


Not by homicidal eugenic socialist snobs, not by desperate mother-incubators who want to be emptied quickly.

I am none of those but would abort if I were pregnant.


The baby becomes an individual human being the moment the process of ovum fertilization is complete,

Wrong. The FETUS becomes a human being when it's fully born. Section 223 of our Criminal Code.


Since it is wrong to terminate innocent human life, it's incumbent upon both the female and the male to avoid doing things that can lead to successful fertilization if they do not wish the female to become pregnant. This is the United States. There are possibly hundreds of legal ways for the couple to avoid pregnancy if they don't want pregnancy, and their failure to succeed in avoiding pregnancy is not a crime committed by the child they created together and the burden of the pregnancy is not something the innocent child should be expected to bear.

Every single method of contraception has a failure rate. I went to school with a woman who got pregnant 3 times on the pill.


It's not difficult, ladies and germs, don't do the crime if you don't want the bambino. If you have the bambino, shut up and take care of it. It's only nine months and then you can adopt it out. Think of it as an object lesson on what you personally (not you, Lursa) could have done differently.

No. I will have sex when, where and with whom I choose. If I get knocked up, I'll abort. YOU don't get a say.

Only nine months????? Then YOU do it.


What crime has an unborn child committed that warrants execution?
It crawled into the wrong uterus.

I am pro choice and pro death penalty. If you are anti choice and pro d/p, that is hypocrisy.
 
I say it's wrong.

I say it on my authority as a human to determine moral behavior, and on my authority as someone who uses science and rational thought to assess my opinions on the events of the day.

And abortion is wrong for the simple reason that babies are not supposed to be murdered. Not by homicidal eugenic socialist snobs, not by desperate mother-incubators who want to be emptied quickly.

The baby becomes an individual human being the moment the process of ovum fertilization is complete, something that must happen before the fertilized egg is implanted on the uterine wall. This is simple embryology.

Since it is wrong to terminate innocent human life, it's incumbent upon both the female and the male to avoid doing things that can lead to successful fertilization if they do not wish the female to become pregnant. This is the United States. There are possibly hundreds of legal ways for the couple to avoid pregnancy if they don't want pregnancy, and their failure to succeed in avoiding pregnancy is not a crime committed by the child they created together and the burden of the pregnancy is not something the innocent child should be expected to bear.

It's not difficult, ladies and germs, don't do the crime if you don't want the bambino. If you have the bambino, shut up and take care of it. It's only nine months and then you can adopt it out. Think of it as an object lesson on what you personally (not you, Lursa) could have done differently.




I'm totally Freedom of Choice.

I fully agree that women have every right to not get pregnant if they don't want to become pregnant.

But once they are pregnant, it's not their choice to murder the inconvenient little human they are now growing. Those little humans are...little humans and little humans have the same rights as the big humans.

Women have no Constitutional right to murder little humans, not even little humans with somewhat inconvenient geographical locations.

Cite the clause of the Constitution that grants women the right to murder inconvenient little humans.




Right. No state shall deprive ANY PERSON (even little ones inconveniently located) of their LIFE without due process of law.

Which thus grants little persons, not matter how small, rights under the Fifth Amendment:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The science states that the unborn are unique but human individuals. The Fifth Amendment protects the rights of people by guaranteeing them a trial. What crime has an unborn child committed that warrants execution?



I didn't read most of your post. I mostly scroll by your posts but the part of you claiming that that it becomes an individual human being at the moment of conception caught my eye.

Fine, if you believe that then remove that zygote from that woman so it can be that individual human being you claim it is.
 
More to the point, the Constituiton does not declare that unborn people are not people. Since unborn people are, in fact, people, then the duty of the Republic is to err on the side of caution and treat those people hanging on their umbilical cords with the full rights of people who have had their umbilicals cut.
The Constitution logically implies that the unborn are not people because it mandates a Census in Article 1, Section 2. The Census is to be an "actual Enumeration," not a projected count, of "all persons in the US," except Native Americans who don't pay taxes. There is a warrant here for seeing how the first Census defines persons.

In the first Census questions: all householders, all free white men aged 16 years and above, all free white men below 16 years, all free white women, all other free persons, all black slaves (to be counted 3/5ths). Here, "all other free persons" clearly means all free men and women who are not white, e.g., free blacks, free Native Americans if they do pay taxes.

From this, we know that women are persons. The age stipulation, 16 years and above, is because all colonies and then confederated states made free white men in that category bring a gun and join the militia. It's an age eligibility. This one and the three in the Articles of the Constitution all assume an age count that begins at birth - a very old custom practiced in America and also in Western Europe. The unborn months/weeks are not included. They can't be. Human pregnancy has never lasted as much as a year and everyone knew it. Furthermore, even if they knew they were pregnant, women of that time and of the 19th century and early 20th did not know how many unborn were inside them. You would have to project a count, and that would violate Article 1, Section 2.

Nothing changed in the age count or the Census in the period from that time to the present. Fetuses are not persons anywhere in the Constitution. So-called rights they have are contingent on live birth.
And then it comes down to a matter of weighing the relative rights of two people, the woman who managed to get herself pregnant and child who is totally innocent.
So there aren't two people.
The woman may suffer a small inconvenience for carrying a child to term. The child suffers permanent mortal harm when it it killed to avoid the mother's minor inconvenience.
Women can die, be permanently injured, or seriously disabled because of medically unforeseen complications in late pregnancy and childbirth. How dare you even use the expression "small inconvenience"?

You do not know what happens to the unborn in a case of abortion. It is entirely possible that a woman can have an abortion of a pregnancy by the wrong guy or with a serious disability and then get pregnant four months later by the right guy or with a perfect fetus and give birth. How do you know it's not the same future child, but with an improved body? You don't.
What is the legal authority granted to the courts to sever the Constitutional protections guaranteed to "we the people" on a political whim?

There's no biological science supporting this action, so what actions justify that?

What allows the courts to usurp to role of the legislature and commence writing definitions? Since the court is not a legislative body, the court has no business writing definitions and pretending said definitions have the effect of law.
It was no political whim when Roe v Wade was decided. Women are persons and the Constitution has to protect them. There's logical implication that the unborn aren't persons and it's a good thing because women and the unborn can't be protected equally. If I have to choose, I'll do what the SC justices did - I know women are constitutional persons, so I'll protect them.
 
. . . . Let's skip a bunch of the irrelevancies. A woman does not surrender her right to chose. She's required to live with the consequences of her poor choices. She could have chosen to not have sex. She could have chosen to use better means of contraception. Her choices led her to create a new life. As the mother, she's responsible to protect her child until her child can be safely placed for adoption or surrendered to a medical facility that can provide life affirming care.

Nobody is taking choices that she should be able to make away from her. It's just that the choice to murder one's own offspring, or anyone else's for that matter, is a choice that's not allowed under the Constitution of the United States. . . .
You are assuming the woman had a choice to begin with. What about a rape victim? What about a girl who is raped at 11? What about a woman whose husband sabotaged her contraception?

No woman "creates" a new life by accident.

No woman is a mother unless a baby is born.

The idea that a pregnant woman has to be responsible for her pregnancy is ridiculous.

Among other things, if you banned abortion in the US even for rape victims, you'd see the female suicide rate go up significantly. Suicide not legal? I think you view rights as superlegal. So it the act of suicide. I don't see why a woman would be forced to continue rape pregnancy if she can commit suicide - I would.
 
Know who else has 100% human DNA?

Unborn babies.
Being human does not make a person. If we had an ET here who was capable of communication and did not wish harm on other persons and showed intelligence, self-awareness, and capacity to follow the law, I'm sure we'd say it was a person.
 
That will happen when we admit that the sun shines on the dark side of the moon.

Since the sun does not shine on the dark side of the moon and the rank and file Republican opposes the authoritarian tyranny all socialists lust for, I'm pretty certain that not only will it never happed but there's no reason it should happen.

The real authoritarians in the US embrace socialism and senile hair sniffing imbeciles when they're not mooning over the failure of a drunk harridan still unable to get over the fact that she and her party failed to steal the election in 2016.
Any actual authoritarian actions from President Biden? I thought not...
 
The republican Taliban. And republicans can go shove thier both sides nonsense. Anti gay, anti trans, anti abortion, anti voting, anti teaching facts, everything these POS have been passing laws for are Taliban bullshit. And not comparable to liberals fighting for rights of everybody

Is any R going to finally admit that authoritarianism is the goal of their party?

No, they are dishonest shitbags. And everybody who votes R is culpable, teh entire party panders to this nonsense, or remains silent as to not mess with their base of deplorables
 
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The anti reproductive freedom radical people in Missouri are now going after women's right to freedom of movement in our nation.

They wrote a law that will allow anyone to sue someone for going across state lines to get an abortion. Something like the law that Texas passed on abortion but didn't include those who go to another state to get an abortion.

I don't know how one state can enforce their laws in a different state. That's not constitutional. If someone goes to a state and doesn't break the laws in that state, a different state can't come along to persecute a person for what they did in that other state.

The anti reproductive freedom radicals are going way too far.

I guess they haven't figured out yet that conservative women need abortions too. That's the problem when you have too many older white men running government. They just want things the way they were, 75 years ago.
 
I guess they haven't figured out yet that conservative women need abortions too. That's the problem when you have too many older white men running government. They just want things the way they were, 75 years ago.

Or figured out that conservative (mostly) men will be paying more child support. 🤷
 
The anti reproductive freedom radical people in Missouri are now going after women's right to freedom of movement in our nation.

They wrote a law that will allow anyone to sue someone for going across state lines to get an abortion. Something like the law that Texas passed on abortion but didn't include those who go to another state to get an abortion.

I don't know how one state can enforce their laws in a different state. That's not constitutional. If someone goes to a state and doesn't break the laws in that state, a different state can't come along to persecute a person for what they did in that other state.

The anti reproductive freedom radicals are going way too far.

That would constitute a violation of the right to travel.
 
Among other things, if you banned abortion in the US even for rape victims, you'd see the female suicide rate go up significantly. Suicide not legal? I think you view rights as superlegal. So it the act of suicide. I don't see why a woman would be forced to continue rape pregnancy if she can commit suicide - I would.
I would as well, if I was forced to continue *any* pregnancy, rape or not.
 
That would constitute a violation of the right to travel.
Yes. And how would they even know if the person in another state had an abortion there? The evidence would probably breach actual privacy laws. I'm guessing that when the Texas law goes up to the USSC because of a suit, and it will, the current USSC will start learning how important privacy is.
 
Yes. And how would they even know if the person in another state had an abortion there? The evidence would probably breach actual privacy laws. I'm guessing that when the Texas law goes up to the USSC because of a suit, and it will, the current USSC will start learning how important privacy is.

And the woman is under no obligation to tell them where or even if she had the procedure done.

And the facility in another state wouldnt be under any obligation to turn over any medical records.

If the woman didnt see a Dr to confirm the pregnancy, the state would have no proof she was/had been pregnant. O
 
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