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Missouri couple who defended home have rifle seized during police search[W:333]

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Court Jester said:
BINGO!

I tend to speculate that all of the people who keep claiming the McCloskey's had no right to defend their property or recognize that a HOA is a collective of OWNERS. These are people who keep whining about the homeowners are probably all renters---- many I'll bet with subsidized rents too. They have zero appreciation for what OWNING a thing is all about. Part of the "you didn't build that" mindset. The perpetually jealous and entitled childlike masses of anarchist BLM type occupiers. Willing to loot, vandalize, burn---- or even just trespass, because they feel they are entitled to.
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Michael Johnson said:
I doubt they will. It's up to the couple's legal team to figure that out, unfortunately. Hopefully they're filing a lawsuit against the city and that Libturd for this madness.
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Unless I am unclear on the facts, this started when the couple came out and pointed weapons at apparently peaceful demonstrators. Bad and idiotic. If they were subsequently threatened in any way, also bad and idiotic. How does that make the couple immune from criticism or police action to investigate the issue? If they had kept their dic... er, weapons in the house, no problem.

Or were the demonstrators walking down the street threatening homeowners? Did others in the neighborhood come out and point weapons at the marchers?
 
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Grand Mal said:
Are you so obtuse that you don't recognize obvious sarcasm? Did they surgically remove your sense of humour when you joined the Tea Party?
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Never joined the Tea Party.
 
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Nickyjo said:
Unless I am unclear on the facts, this started when the couple came out and pointed weapons at apparently peaceful demonstrators. Bad and idiotic. If they were subsequently threatened in any way, also bad and idiotic. How does that make the couple immune from criticism or police action to investigate the issue? If they had kept their dic... er, weapons in the house, no problem.

Or were the demonstrators walking down the street threatening homeowners? Did others in the neighborhood come out and point weapons at the marchers?
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The mob crowd broke down their gate, was illegally on their property with their own weapons, and made multiple death and looting threats to the couple. The savages instigated this entire issue, and the senior couple tried to defend themselves with absolutely no help from local law enforcement.
 
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Michael Johnson said:
The mob crowd broke down their gate, was illegally on their property with their own weapons, and made multiple death and looting threats to the couple. The savages instigated this entire issue, and the smenior couple tried to defend themselves with absolutely no help from local law enforcement.
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Didn’t know that, but my impression is that the threats came after the incident.
 
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Nickyjo said:
Didn’t know that, but my impression is that the threats came after the incident.
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Why would the threats come after the incident, when the mob was in their front yard? This is the same thing that happened with the 1992 LA riots. They went up to Beverly Hills to wreck havoc on innocent people who did nothing to Rodney King.
 
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Michael Johnson said:
Why would the threats come after the incident, when the mob was in their front yard? This is the same thing that happened with the 1992 LA riots. They went up to Beverly Hills to wreck havoc on innocent people who did nothing to Rodney King.
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From what I heard, they claimed they were threatened after the incident when they came out with guns to confront the crowd. The crowd had no reason to threaten them beforehand.
 
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Nickyjo said:
From what I heard, they claimed they were threatened after the incident when they came out with guns to confront the crowd. The crowd had no reason to threaten them beforehand.
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That makes no sense. They said they heard the mob outside and saw them on their property and immediately grabbed their weapons. The mob had no business there. No way you can justify this garbage.
 
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Michael Johnson said:
That makes no sense. They said they heard the mob outside and saw them on their property and immediately grabbed their weapons. The mob had no business there. No way you can justify this garbage.
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Sorry. We may be talking past one another. If I am not mistaken, they claimed they were harassed some time after the original incident with the guns. That's what I was referring to.

"Saw them on their property and immediately grabbed their weapons." That's the problem. I understand it, the demonstration was not illegal. If they encroached on their property, greeting them with weapons pointed in their direction was a foolish, dangerous move. It takes "get off my lawn" to a new, absurd level. What if someone, feeling threatened, fired at them? I can understand their objecting if they encroached on their property. I do as well. But not pointing a weapon. I don't know the state law, but in some places that qualifies as assault.

The demonstration apparently was against the mayor, who published the names of people who wrote for defunding the police. She has apologized for that. Apparently the story that demonstrators broke the gate is contradicted by video. The demonstration was understandable. The couple's concern at a crowd near their house perhaps was understandable as well. But their reaction is not. Their "counter protest", if you will, could have turned a normal, legal activity into tragedy.
 
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Nickyjo said:
Sorry. We may be talking past one another. If I am not mistaken, they claimed they were harassed some time after the original incident with the guns. That's what I was referring to.

"Saw them on their property and immediately grabbed their weapons." That's the problem. I understand it, the demonstration was not illegal. If they encroached on their property, greeting them with weapons pointed in their direction was a foolish, dangerous move. It takes "get off my lawn" to a new, absurd level. What if someone, feeling threatened, fired at them? I can understand their objecting if they encroached on their property. I do as well. But not pointing a weapon. I don't know the state law, but in some places that qualifies as assault.

The demonstration apparently was against the mayor, who published the names of people who wrote for defunding the police. She has apologized for that. Apparently the story that demonstrators broke the gate is contradicted by video. The demonstration was understandable. The couple's concern at a crowd near their house perhaps was understandable as well. But their reaction is not. Their "counter protest", if you will, could have turned a normal, legal activity into tragedy.
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There is no justification for a mob of hundreds to illegally be on a couple's private property - after breaking open their front gate - with firearms making death threats. It wasn't a demonstration and you saying so is being intellectually dishonest.
 
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Michael Johnson said:
The street they reside on is part of their property. And of course you magically didn't see their gate smashed into like the Hulk was gonna break it.:roll:
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You have no proof that the street and gate were the personally owned property of the couple.
 
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Metric Mouse said:
The protesters were on private property and had broken down a gate to gain entrance. Breaking and entering and trespass, at the very least.
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Was that private property personally owned by the couple?
 
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Mycroft said:
That private community was the couple's property. That gate the protesters busted down was that couple's property.
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What is the proof that the property was personally owned by the couple? That particular gate and that particular street in front of the home.
 
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The mob crashed through a gate at the entrance of the community. They were trespassing on private property. The mob had no legal right to be there, and actually broke the law being there..
 
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Nickyjo said:
Sorry. We may be talking past one another. If I am not mistaken, they claimed they were harassed some time after the original incident with the guns. That's what I was referring to.

"Saw them on their property and immediately grabbed their weapons." That's the problem. I understand it, the demonstration was not illegal. If they encroached on their property, greeting them with weapons pointed in their direction was a foolish, dangerous move. It takes "get off my lawn" to a new, absurd level. What if someone, feeling threatened, fired at them? I can understand their objecting if they encroached on their property. I do as well. But not pointing a weapon. I don't know the state law, but in some places that qualifies as assault.

The demonstration apparently was against the mayor, who published the names of people who wrote for defunding the police. She has apologized for that. Apparently the story that demonstrators broke the gate is contradicted by video. The demonstration was understandable. The couple's concern at a crowd near their house perhaps was understandable as well. But their reaction is not. Their "counter protest", if you will, could have turned a normal, legal activity into tragedy.
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the mob BROKE down an iron gate.. if that does not show intent to be violent, nothing does.

by your standard, no one has the ability to defend themselves in any way and I reject that notion completely.
 
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Hypothetical said:
the mob BROKE down an iron gate.. if that does not show intent to be violent, nothing does.

by your standard, no one has the ability to defend themselves in any way and I reject that notion completely.
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It's always the MAGAts against the world....lol

St. Louis prosecutor investigating couple who brandished guns at protesters says governor and Trump are targeting her - CNN

IMO it's the sane looking over and saying, "Man, those MAGAts are ****ing nuts."
 
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bluesmoke said:
Was that private property personally owned by the couple?
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The couple had permission to be on the private property, and were on property they owned. The protesters did not have permission to be on the private property that they were occupying.
 
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Metric Mouse said:
The couple had permission to be on the private property, and were on property they owned. The protesters did not have permission to be on the private property that they were occupying.
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Sounds like a good reason to point an assault rifle at them then, eh?
 
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calamity said:
Sounds like a good reason to point an assault rifle at them then, eh?
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Poor widdle protesters... did the get scurred? Both sides had guns, no one was shot.
 
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bluesmoke said:
You have no proof that the street and gate were the personally owned property of the couple.
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Now you're just posting intellectually dishonest garbage. I won yet again.
 
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Metric Mouse said:
The couple had permission to be on the private property, and were on property they owned. The protesters did not have permission to be on the private property that they were occupying.
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So, the answer you didn't forthrightly provide is "no".
 
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jimbo said:
Why seize the rifle? It's a standard over the counter AR.

Nothing but harassment. The prosecutor could find nothing to charge them with, so they searched the home, which violates the 4th. And found nothing (why would they?) so they confiscated a weapon.
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Not 100% sure how the law works there, but where I come from, brandishing a fire arm is a crime. When a crime is committed with a firearm, the gun is confiscated and that will be determined in court.
 
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