Mississippi hospital system facing 'failure' if COVID-19 cases keep going up

[Luce]

It helps to know who you can engage in rational conversation, and who you cannot.

Well, yes. There's no sense engaging with antivaxers and expecting rationalism.

 

[Luce]

I seem to recall Liberals claiming they wouldn't get the vaccine if Trump claimed it to be safe, and now it appears that Conservatives are just doing the same.
We need to cease making everything a political issue and try to learn how to work together on resolving important issues.

That train left the station long ago.

 

[jaeger19]

This is not true at all, just about the only part of the country not hit as hard with the delta strain is the northeast where states such as NY, NJ. Ct., RI, Mass, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine have between a 67% to 74% vaccination rate in their states. These are also states that have had mask mandates in place. The numbers of delta variant infections are far below those states whose vaccination rates fall well below the 70% level and have no mask mandates in place. States worst hit like Florida, Texas and California all have vaccine success rates below 70%, some southern states have a rate of vaccines no higher than 50% and have no mask mandates, even for children who are being affected by this delta strai
https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker

Obviously it is working in some states, those that have a high number of their population already vaccinated.

Yeh. I don't think you understand what the point is.
There are red states where republican governors are pleading with the people to get vaccinated. Who are showing the people the facts and science about th e safety and effectiveness of the vaccine. And a huge part of the population still refuses to get vaccinated.

 

[watsup]

It's been tried. Not working.

it has worked. That has been proven on those states that use masking.

 

[watsup]

Yeh. I don't think you understand what the point is.
There are red states where republican governors are pleading with the people to get vaccinated. Who are showing the people the facts and science about th e safety and effectiveness of the vaccine. And a huge part of the population still refuses to get vaccinated.

Name those states.

 

[HumblePi]

Speaking only for myself, asking a question over and over becomes necessary when trying to obtain an answer to a question. And yes, it really matters to some of us, due to age and other health issues. From what I can find, NONE of the vaccines have yet been thoroughly tested and and are only approved for emergency use, therefore the possible side effects become a significant factor in making a choice of which, if any, are worth taking the known risks. Where I live, neither the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines are widely available and at high cost when they are, and even then difficult to get due to where they exist.

No, there is no biological difference between the Pfizer or Moderna. Both vaccines can cause various adverse effects, but these reactions are reported to be less frequent in the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine compared to the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine; however, the Moderna vaccine compared to the Pfizer vaccine is easier to transport and store because it is less temperature sensitive.

If you get side effects from the vaccine it's generally very mild, maybe a slight fever for a few hours, a sore arm (which most IM injections cause) or some diarrhea. That's it, and that's actually a great sign that your body is creating antibodies to the spike protein found in Covid-19 on this spike protein is harmless, the SARS-CoV-2. spike protein is deadly.

If you're considering which to take, the Moderna is more often offered at places like walk in health clinics or pharmacies because it's easier to store. Because of the low temperature required to store the Pfizer, it's more likely going to be given at a hospital or any large facility that has the freezing capability required for the Pfizer vaccine.

Incidentally as far as "testing" of these vaccines, they have all been tested for at least six months prior to public release on many thousands of people. My nephew was in the Pfizer study and he has Guillain-Barre syndrome. The FDA had tons of data and statistics to use before submitting it to the FDA for emergency use approval. Since the vaccines have been approved by the FDA for emergency use, over 4.6 billion doses have been put into arms. I'd say that's a pretty good example of thorough testing if you want to call it that.

 

[jaeger19]

it has worked. That has been proven on those states that use masking.

Nope ..its not working. Some republican governors have pleaded have shown all the science to their red state constituents and a large section of the populace refuses to vaccinate.

 

[RAMOSS]

NYC and California had no problem asking the Federal government to ride to their rescue, and getting it, why shouldn't Mississippi?

They should be able to, as well as florida and texas, who told the federal government 'we won't follow your recommendations'

 

[watsup]

Nope ..its not working. Some republican governors have pleaded have shown all the science to their red state constituents and a large section of the populace refuses to vaccinate.

Name them. And that's besides the ppoint anyway, which is that the highest rates of infections, hospitalizations, and deaths are in those red states where the governors have been most anti-science.

 

[jaeger19]

Name those states.

Wyoming idaho and Utah off the top of my head.

 

[jaeger19]

Name them. And that's besides the ppoint anyway, which is that the highest rates of infections, hospitalizations, and deaths are in those red states where the governors have been most anti-science.

Wyoming Utah and idaho

 

[HumblePi]

Yeh. I don't think you understand what the point is.
There are red states where republican governors are pleading with the people to get vaccinated. Who are showing the people the facts and science about th e safety and effectiveness of the vaccine. And a huge part of the population still refuses to get vaccinated.

Yes of course, I 'get' that. I know that very well, The point is that compared to states with high vaccination rates, the red states are doing much worse and it's all because of anti-vaxers and anti-maskers. It's clear that people that live in areas of this country where people are more informed versus people sticking their heads in the sand bout facts or believing the propaganda spewed by Fox or OAN.

 

[jaeger19]

Yes of course, I 'get' that. I know that very well, The point is that compared to states with high vaccination rates, the red states are doing much worse and it's all because of anti-vaxers and anti-maskers. It's clear that people that live in areas of this country where people are more informed versus people sticking their heads in the sand bout facts or believing the propaganda spewed by Fox or OAN.

They are being informed..by their governors and medical providers. It's not working.

 

[Manc Skipper]

That is quite unknown right now. One factor will be 'how much are the hosptial overwhelmed. That has a big effect on the survival rate/death rate.

On average, it's 98.4 survival rate (not counting the long term damage). That number will modify when the hospital system gets overwhelmed.

Vaccination is preferable, since that reducing hospitalization/death rate. That isn't to say that many people getting sick also doesn't leave a pool of immunity (a certain level) behind.

The difference is the pain and human suffering that goes along getting to that point.

A news item on BBC (UK) last night from Louisiana was talking about Covid wreaking havoc, then they crossed into Mississippi where vaccination rates are even lower at...I think he said 35% !

 

[HumblePi]

They are being informed..by their governors and medical providers. It's not working.

Because they have had governors who have switched suddenly from being anti-vax and anti-mask to supporting both. People aren't going to trust anyone that says one thing for a year and then abruptly says, "oh I was wrong, go get a vaccine". They're still fed disinformation on a day to day basis by the sources they trust, like Facebook and Twitter. They aren't following the science, they're following idiots that post bullshit on Facebook and Twitter.

 

[jaeger19]

Because they have had governors who have switched suddenly from being anti-vax and anti-mask to supporting both. People aren't going to trust anyone that says one thing for a year and then abruptly says, "oh I was wrong, go get a vaccine". They're still fed disinformation on a day to day basis by the sources they trust, like Facebook and Twitter. They aren't following the science, they're following idiots that post bullshit on Facebook and Twitter.

No..the governors did not " switch from being anti vaccination to vaccine supporters"
These governors did NOT spread dis information to the populace but instead continually informed the public on the importance of masks..of vaccines..social distancing.

 

[Individual]

Well, yes. There's no sense engaging with antivaxers and expecting rationalism.

Perhaps you should give engaging rationally a try sometime, without making irrational presumptions.

 

[jaeger19]

Perhaps you should give engaging rationally a try sometime, without making irrational presumptions.

Tried it. It doesn't work .

 

[Luce]

Perhaps you should give engaging rationally a try sometime, without making irrational presumptions.

<---- See? This is me not engaging with antivaxers.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Come on Mr. Darwin!!! Come on come on COME ON!!!

I'm counting on you!!!

 

[Individual]

That train left the station long ago.

And the next train is going nowhere while the previous one has not yet reached its destination.

 

[Linc]

I seem to recall Liberals claiming they wouldn't get the vaccine if Trump claimed it to be safe, and now it appears that Conservatives are just doing the same.
We need to cease making everything a political issue and try to learn how to work together on resolving important issues.

trumpistani jihadists remind us every day they have ZERO in common with our Founding Fathers. Where is George Washington on vaccines when we need him?

 

[Linc]

And the next train is going nowhere while the previous one has not yet reached its destination.

Confederate GOPs are winning the Covid Cultural War in the south and will intentionally spread their misery north and west.

 

[Individual]

No, there is no biological difference between the Pfizer or Moderna. Both vaccines can cause various adverse effects, but these reactions are reported to be less frequent in the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine compared to the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine; however, the Moderna vaccine compared to the Pfizer vaccine is easier to transport and store because it is less temperature sensitive.

If you get side effects from the vaccine it's generally very mild, maybe a slight fever for a few hours, a sore arm (which most IM injections cause) or some diarrhea. That's it, and that's actually a great sign that your body is creating antibodies to the spike protein found in Covid-19 on this spike protein is harmless, the SARS-CoV-2. spike protein is deadly.

If you're considering which to take, the Moderna is more often offered at places like walk in health clinics or pharmacies because it's easier to store. Because of the low temperature required to store the Pfizer, it's more likely going to be given at a hospital or any large facility that has the freezing capability required for the Pfizer vaccine.

Incidentally as far as "testing" of these vaccines, they have all been tested for at least six months prior to public release on many thousands of people. My nephew was in the Pfizer study and he has Guillain-Barre syndrome. The FDA had tons of data and statistics to use before submitting it to the FDA for emergency use approval. Since the vaccines have been approved by the FDA for emergency use, over 4.6 billion doses have been put into arms. I'd say that's a pretty good example of thorough testing if you want to call it that.

Currently neither are easily available where I live, and are quite costly where they are available in limited quantity.So far I ony know one person who has been vaccinated, and all she could tell me was it was a Chinese vaccine, but only cost about $80 which is about a weeks income where I live. In the meantime everyone wears a mask here, washes their hands frequently, and are temperature tested before entering most every large business.

 

[watsup]

Tried it. It doesn't work .

It does work. Desantis of Florida and Abbott of Texas are the prime examples of red state governors who did all that they could to spread disinformation about COVID, and those two states are now responsible for FORTY PERCENT of all the new infections in the nation, and their hospitals are stretched to the limit and beyond.