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Miracles probably do happen

Elora said:
It was NOT a solar eclipse...posts #43 and 45...
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Yes it was. If someone saw the sun darken, it was a solar eclipse.

If no solar eclipse, then they lied.

It's not rocket surgery.
 
Elora said:
No, it was not...it lasted 3 hours during a full moon...solar eclipses only last around 8 minutes and only occur during the new moon...
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No, the darkening of the sun did not last 3 hours, sorry. That's a lie.
 
Elora said:
Sorry, you believe a lie...
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That's not compelling, sorry. All of the facts are on my side. I would not believe a liar who said they saw the sun darken for 3 hours anymore than I would believe a liar who says their houseplants talk.
 
Galactic Spin said:
That's not compelling, sorry. All of the facts are on my side. I would not believe a liar who said they saw the sun darken for 3 hours anymore than I would believe a liar who says their houseplants talk.
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No, they're not...eclipses do not occur during a full moon, no matter how many times you make the claim...
 
Elora said:
No, they're not...eclipses do not occur during a full moon, no matter how many times you make the claim...
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That's right they don't. That's one way we know they're lying about something. That's what any rational person would think, anyway.

Houseplants do not talk. If someone said they did, I wouldn't suddenly declare a miracle. I would laugh at them and say that they were lying. And so would you.
 
Logicman said:
No Christ-denier is ever going to heaven either (Rev. 21:8, etc.).

The chances of that happening is 0.
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I am certainly not concerned with going to heaven.
 
samiam5211 said:
I am certainly not concerned with going to heaven.
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Well, you haven't done your homework, then, on the historical Jesus. If you had then you should be concerned with where you go when you don't go to heaven.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Since no one knows that actual date and time that Yeshua bar Yosef bin Nazaret was executed, it's pretty difficult to ascertain if there was a solar eclipse at that exact moment - wouldn't you say?
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It wasn't a solar eclipse. It lasted three hours and occurred during a Paschal full moon.
 
Logicman said:
It wasn't a solar eclipse. It lasted three hours and occurred during a Paschal full moon.
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And yet no one recorded any such an event outside of the members of Jesus’s cult?

Don’t you think Roman and Jewish scholars would have written about such a unique event?
 
I will believe in miracles if the giants make the playoffs
 
Logicman said:
Well, you haven't done your homework, then, on the historical Jesus. If you had then you should be concerned with where you go when you don't go to heaven.
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We will end up in the same place.

A god who would create hell, doesn't deserve our worship.
 
samiam5211 said:
We will end up in the same place.

A god who would create hell, doesn't deserve our worship.
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Don't worry about @Logicman , when he finally gets around to "doing the homework" on Brahma and Hinduism, he'll change his tune.

He just hasn't done it yet.
 
Logicman said:
No Christ-denier is ever going to heaven either (Rev. 21:8, etc.).

The chances of that happening is 0.
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Apparently no Allah-denier is ever getting into heaven either.

"Surely Allah will gather together all the hypocrites and the unbelievers in hell."(Quran 4:140)

So what are you doing about that?
 
samiam5211 said:
Who created hell?
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Hell is not a place but is a condition...it is man's common grave...

A word used in the King James Version (as well as in the Catholic Douay Version and most older translations) to translate the Hebrew sheʼohlʹ and the Greek haiʹdes. In the King James Version the word “hell” is rendered from sheʼohlʹ 31 times and from haiʹdes 10 times. This version is not consistent, however, since sheʼohlʹ is also translated 31 times “grave” and 3 times “pit.” In the Douay Version sheʼohlʹ is rendered “hell” 64 times, “pit” once, and “death” once.

Collier’s Encyclopedia (1986, Vol. 12, p. 28) says concerning “Hell”: “First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word ‘hell,’ as understood today, is not a happy translation.”
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001978
 
Elora said:
Hell is not a place but is a condition...it is man's common grave...

A word used in the King James Version (as well as in the Catholic Douay Version and most older translations) to translate the Hebrew sheʼohlʹ and the Greek haiʹdes. In the King James Version the word “hell” is rendered from sheʼohlʹ 31 times and from haiʹdes 10 times. This version is not consistent, however, since sheʼohlʹ is also translated 31 times “grave” and 3 times “pit.” In the Douay Version sheʼohlʹ is rendered “hell” 64 times, “pit” once, and “death” once.

Collier’s Encyclopedia (1986, Vol. 12, p. 28) says concerning “Hell”: “First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word ‘hell,’ as understood today, is not a happy translation.”
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001978
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Did god make it?
 
Elora said:
Um no...it could not have been a solar eclipse...sc's occur at the time of the new moon, but this was Passover season, when the moon is full....this darkness also lasted for 3 hours, far longer than the longest possible total eclipse, which is less than 8 minutes...
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And we know that it lasted for three hours because someone timed it with their quartz crystal regulated digital stopwatch - right?
 
Gordy327 said:
Do you even know the difference between an eclipse and the phases of the moon? Methinks not!
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For a solar eclipse to take place, the Moon has to be between the Earth and the Sun.

The Moon "shines" because that part of it which is not occluded by the Earth reflects light from the Sun back towards the Earth.

If the Moon is exactly between the Earth and the Sun, there is no light available for it to reflect back towards the Earth and the result is a "Total Eclipse" of the Sun.

When that happens the Moon is said to be in the "New Moon" phase.

Please present your working on how the Moon can totally occlude the Sun at any time other than during the "New Moon" phase.
 
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