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Minnesota suspected assassin Vance Boelter captured alive after intense manhunt for fatal shooting of Dem pol, spouse: report

Jagged said:
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Sucks to be you.

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Link your cut and paste. Your link shows nothing about how Trump voted this past November. It only show registered as a Republican 21 years ago. If it's even real.
 
justoneman said:
I am right. He is so concerned about assisting Africans in immigranting to the US and to get them housing and healthcare that he killed the only Democrat senator to vote with the Republicans to block illegal immigrants from getting healthcare.
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Ignoring reality is bad debate. As always arguments that depend on looking at things with cognitive bias with dishonesty, is a fail.
 
Lethargic Aptitude said:
Ignoring reality is bad debate. As always arguments that depend on looking at things with cognitive bias with dishonesty, is a fail.
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Calling a jumble of notes a manifesto is a fail. Saying someone posted something saying he was a registered Republican 21 years ago thus he voted for Trump, is a fail.

Remove your cognitive bias.
 
justoneman said:
I am right. He is so concerned about assisting Africans in immigranting to the US and to get them housing and healthcare that he killed the only Democrat senator to vote with the Republicans to block illegal immigrants from getting healthcare.
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No you're not, you actually have no clue what you’re talking about.

Someone saw a photo of him from MAU and the rest is all made up.

His association with MAU amounted to a one time virtual webinar as a guest speaker in 2022.

There’s absolutely nothing credible that pointed to him assisting Africans in immigrating to the US, or that the company he was CEO of, Red Lion Group, had to do with immigration or him helping to immigrate Africans here.

His work with the Red Lion Group in the Congo was business ventures IN the Congo.

Claiming he is so concerned about assisting Africans in immigrating to the US and get them housing and healthcare that he killed the only Democrat senator to vote with Republicans is simply made up.

Your claim that he did it because of that falls completely apart given it conveniently leaves out that he also assassinated another senator who didn’t vote with republicans.

It also conveniently leaves out that he also went to two other homes that night. One was State Rep Kristin Banner, but fortunately they were away on vacation.

The other was Senator Ann Rest. That’s the home he was spotted at. He was spotted in his car by another officer who went to do a welfare check after Hoffman was shot, spotted him in his fake police car, tried to engage him and he drove away.
 
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ncguy said:
Yes, good way to find targets if you are a hateful right winger
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Indeed

No different than his pretending to be a police officer in uniform, right down to his driving to the homes in a fake police car with police license plate.

All designed to hide his identity and throw off police, which he clearly went to great lengths to do.
 
Emlee said:
No you're not, you actually have no clue what you’re talking about.

Someone saw a photo of him from MAU and the rest is all made up.

His association with MAU amounted to a one time virtual webinar as a guest speaker in 2022.

There’s absolutely nothing credible that pointed to him assisting Africans in immigrating to the US, or that the company he was CEO of, Red Lion Group, had to do with immigration or him helping to immigrate Africans here.

His work with the Red Lion Group in the Congo was business ventures IN the Congo.

Claiming he is so concerned about assisting Africans in immigrating to the US and get them housing and healthcare that he killed the only Democrat senator to vote with Republicans is simply made up.....
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T was more than a photo on the MAU website. There was a whole heading removed from that website that was about him under the tab: Business development manager.

There was a whole bio of him that was removed.

 
justoneman said:
T was more than a photo on the MAU website. There was a whole heading removed from that website that was about him under the tab: Business development manager.

There was a whole bio of him that was removed.

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Business development manager.
As guest speaker at a virtual webinar in 2022.

Not sure what you think all those links are showing because they don’t support what you’ve been making up.

The first link shows exactly what I said about his going to four homes that night. None of the other three voted with republicans.

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From another of your links;

“In 2022, Boelter participated as a keynote speaker in his capacity as CEO of Red Lion Group for a seminar held jointly by the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the Minnesota Africans United and Global Minnesota, video showed.

Boetler conducted the call from Moanda, Democratic Republic of the Congo and spoke of the Red Lion Group’s ventures in the African nation.”

—- Exactly as I said, a guest speaker. He spoke of his ventures IN the Congo.

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Another from one of your links;

He worked in Africa​

In a 2022 video posted to Facebook and verified by NBC News, Minnesota Africans United featured a person introduced as Vance Boelter during a discussion about trade and investment opportunities in the Democratic Republic of Congo. As a keynote presenter, Boelter said he was calling from the DRC and spoke about his work partnering with farmers and fishermen in the country to help them stimulate their food supply system.

A spokesperson for Minnesota Africans United told NBC News in a statement that "there is no connection between Minnesota Africans United and the individual who carried out the assassinations and attacks" on Hortman, Hoffman and their spouses.”

—— Same as I said, a guest speaker. Talking about his ventures IN the Congo.

Bottom line is there’s nothing credible that showed he had anything to do with immigration, or that his company and work in the Congo was about immigration or helping Africans immigrate here, getting them housing and healthcare. That’s simply made up.
 
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Hatuey said:
A counter to your whataboutism? It is just whataboutism with some bothsiderism thrown in. Are you gonna be "policing" your neighborhood for murderous right wingers or is this policing just online lip service?
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Indeed - which is why I call this what it is, call J6 and those who minimize or defend or excuse it what it is, and sincerely cheered for FOX et al to get just absolute crushing judgements against them by the people they harmed in the aftermath of the 2020 election.

Absentglare said:
The problem is that the action of consuming the conversation with your deflection to both sides is an excuse that defends the terrorism, that spares the right the psychological work of taking responsibility for breeding a terrorist.

They need to do that ****ing work, @cpwill , badly.
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And the same is true on the left, which is why it is worth pointing that out when people want to suggest or argue this is a right wing problem, v an American problem.

We can't call for someone else to do The Work if we ourselves are unwilling to do so.
 
cpwill said:
Indeed - which is why I call this what it is, call J6 and those who minimize or defend or excuse it what it is, and sincerely cheered for FOX et al to get just absolute crushing judgements against them by the people they harmed in the aftermath of the 2020 election.
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It is a shame that in this thread your chosen method of discussion is whataboutism looking to dismiss what it is by making up arguments about leftists killing Jews, but only leftists killing Jews, Tucker Carlson watchers killing CEOs and all sorts of other gibberish that doesn't address a Republican going on a Democrat killing rampage.
 
cpwill said:
And the same is true on the left, which is why it is worth pointing that out when people want to suggest or argue this is a right wing problem, v an American problem.

We can't call for someone else to do The Work if we ourselves are unwilling to do so.
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This is about the MN shooter, a MAGA terrorist who targeted democratic officials for assassination.

Trump took many actions to incite behavior like this. It’s a known phenomenon, we even have a name for it: stochastic terrorism.

Stochastic terrorism is a form of political violence instigated by hostile public rhetoric directed at a group or an individual. Unlike incitement to terrorism, stochastic terrorism is accomplished with indirect, vague or coded language, which grants the instigator plausible deniability for any associated violence. A key element of stochastic terrorism is the use of media for propagation, where the person carrying out the violence may not have direct connection to any other users of violent rhetoric.
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The MAGA movement fits the criteria.
A public figure or group disseminates violent, inflammatory rhetoric via mass-media, directed at people or groups of people, sometimes suggesting or legitimizing the use of violence.
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This speech tends to be protected due to the use of ambiguous coded language, dog whistles, jokes, hints, and other subtext in statements that fall short of a criminal threshold for causation. The 'it was just a joke' defense has been linked to early days of Nazism. Other themes identified include black and white good vs. evil narratives as well as painting an enemy as a mortal threat, which have been compared to the radicalization techniques used by terrorist groups. These attacks are often repeated and amplified inside a media echo chamber.
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We also know because MAGA people actually carry out these attacks.
 
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