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Minnesota - Can the Senate not seat Coleman?

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I have seen a few threads where people have referred to this clause in the Constitution:

Each House shall be the judge of the elections, returns and qualifications of its own members....
Article I, Sec. 5

Based on that clause, they are making claims that, if Franken is denied the Senate seat because some rejected absentee ballots were not counted, then the Senate has the right to declare this election null and void. Then the Senate seat would be vacant until a new election is held.


I have also seen this argument on a few Liberal blogs that my wife (a Democrat, bless her heart:mrgreen:) referred me to.

Here is why this will not work:

In 1969, the House attempted to not seat Adam Clayton Powell, using this same argument. At the time, Powell was in the middle of several scandals. This case went all the way to the Supreme Court, which ruled according to another case, known as Baker v. Carr, that, according to the Constitution, this clause meant that House and Senate were limited to judgment of a candidate's qualifications, as set forth in the Constitution itself - Namely meeting age, residence, and other qualifications which are expressly stated in the Constitution. Elections and returns are judged the same way - according to what is expressly stated in the Constitution on such matters.

In regard to Franken/Coleman, was the election and the returns from that election according to Federal law as set forth in the Constitution? That is the only question that matters. The House and Senate, according to Supreme Court rulings, can only rule on "qualifications" as defined in the Constitution.

To the Democrats - Your last hope of getting Franken seated is:

1) The State of Minnesota ruling that improperly rejected absentee ballots count.

AND

2) Franken then beating Coleman as a result of that State ruling.

If Franken loses this challenge at the state level, then there is only one other option. The Senate DOES have the power to expel a Senator with a 2/3 vote, but since there are still 41 Republicans in the Senate, not including Coleman himself, this option is not going to happen.

If the State of Minnesota rules against you, you may think it sucks all you want, but you will still have Coleman as your Senator for the next 6 years, and Coleman's seating will have been based on settled law.

Powell v. McCormack ruling is here
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Baker v. Carr ruling is here.
 
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If it's been 40 years since the issue was addressed (or even talked about), there's a good chance that the current court might think differently.

However, it's not going to happen. Coleman will most likely win regardless of the outcome of the absentee ballot ruling. Harry Reid might make some noise about not seating him, but it wouldn't happen. Most of the Democrats aren't going to go along with that idea.
 
If it's been 40 years since the issue was addressed (or even talked about), there's a good chance that the current court might think differently.

However, it's not going to happen. Coleman will most likely win regardless of the outcome of the absentee ballot ruling. Harry Reid might make some noise about not seating him, but it wouldn't happen. Most of the Democrats aren't going to go along with that idea.
And by what law does Reid have a right to not seat a legally elected State representative to the US Senate?
 
And by what law does Reid have a right to not seat a legally elected State representative to the US Senate?

Uhh possibly the one that this thread is about...
But it isn't going to happen.
 
I'm not sure that a Supreme Court rulings ends the issue. What if the Senate determines that the ruling is simply an attempt by the court to dictate how the Senate seats its members, and thus this exercise of their power is unconstitutional? Wouldn't it be upon the executive branch to enforce the decisions of the judicial one?
 
I'm not sure that a Supreme Court rulings ends the issue. What if the Senate determines that the ruling is simply an attempt by the court to dictate how the Senate seats its members, and thus this exercise of their power is unconstitutional? Wouldn't it be upon the executive branch to enforce the decisions of the judicial one?

The Senate does not have the standing to do that, since it is only the judicial branch, which includes Supreme Court that, according to the Constitution, is allowed to interpret the Constitution, and decide what is or is not Constitutional.
 
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The Senate does not have the standing to do that, since it is only the judicial branch, which includes Supreme Court that, according to the Constitution, is allowed to interpret the Constitution, and decide what is or is not Constitutional.

Where in the Constitution does it say anything about the judicial branch have sole right to interpret the Constitution?
 
Where in the Constitution does it say anything about the judicial branch have sole right to interpret the Constitution?

US Constitution Article III said:
The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;

Right there.
 
Here is why this will not work:

In 1969, the House attempted to not seat Adam Clayton Powell, using this same argument. At the time, Powell was in the middle of several scandals. This case went all the way to the Supreme Court, which ruled according to another case, known as Baker v. Carr, that, according to the Constitution, this clause meant that House and Senate were limited to judgment of a candidate's qualifications, as set forth in the Constitution itself - Namely meeting age, residence, and other qualifications which are expressly stated in the Constitution. Elections and returns are judged the same way - according to what is expressly stated in the Constitution on such matters.

Seems pretty open and shut to me. No, the Senate cannot not seat Coleman.
 
But they could expel him immediately before seating him, no?
 
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